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FDP Forum / Rock-it 88's - Keyboard Forum / Hammond B3 sounds

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 7th, 2009 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi. I have what is an entry level 66 keyebaord by Yamaha, its claim to fame being the excellent piano sound it can produce.
It also offers all the other and usual sound offerings, strings, horns etc., etc.,
It offers a variety of organ sounds but the closest it gets to a Hammond B3 is its church organ sound. So my question is...are there pedals for electric keyboards as there are for guitars where I can get a stomp box that emualtes a Hammond B3.?
Hardware, software, anything at all.
Other than that do you have any suggestions for an inexpensive electric keyboard that can get a reasonable facsimile to that Hammond sound?
solomio

garp
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Connecticut USA

Plenty of java and Chesterfield Kings
Nov 7th, 2009 08:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There are lots of options available for emulating the famous Hammond sound.

If your Yamaha keyboard is MIDI-compatible and you want to go the hardware route, try finding a used Roland JV-1010 or JV-1080 synth module (both discontinued) and then add their SR-JV80-08 “Keyboards of the ‘60s & ‘70s” expansion board. Or try a used Roland XV-2020 synth module (also discontinued) and add their SRX-07 “Ultimate Keys” expansion board. There are *lots* of great B3 variations on these expansion boards.

If you’re comfortable with software synths and virtual instruments, Native Instruments’ B4 II is an amazing tool. Unfortunately, it’s now discontinued, but you may still be able to source it through FDP sponsor Musician’s Friend or another provider. I’ve also heard some good things about Syntheway’s Master Hammond B3 VST plug-in.

As far as other inexpensive keyboards are concerned, I’m not familiar enough with all of the current offerings from Alesis, Korg, Kurzweil, Roland, Yamaha, etc. to judge the quality of their B3-like patches. But some older Korg synths like the M1, X2/X3 and N263/N264 have some very usable patches that incorporate tonewheel and drawbar effects.

Yigba
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Nov 7th, 2009 08:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Base don a recommendaiton here I bought a used Korg TR-Rack which has great B3 sounds among other awesome keyboard sounds. For less than $300 on E-Bay. I'd highly recommend it.

bluelake07
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USA/SoCal

Nov 8th, 2009 09:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Check out kvraudio.com and search on Organ. There are several free and low-cost VST plug-ins.

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 8th, 2009 05:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys for the help.

Hey Garp...most being discontinued makes it difficult.
Yes the Yamaha does have a midi out so I guess thats what you're talking about.
I am wantng this for live performance so I'm thinking these VST plug ins are for computer usage.

I'll do some searches for the models that you have all suggested.

Thanks again.

Ray

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 8th, 2009 06:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Garp

Would you mind informing me how does something like the Native Instruments B4 get applied in a live performance setting.
I mean its software right..means you need a PC so now I';ve got a midi compatible Yamaha keyboard, a PC and the Native product.
How does it all come together in live performance venues?

solomio

bluelake07
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USA/SoCal

Nov 9th, 2009 08:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Solomio, when you wrote "Hardware, software, anything at all" I presumed you just wanted to play organ sounds at home as live performance wasn't mentioned. The Muse Receptor can play VST instruments without the bulk of a PC if you wanted to go the software route. To get closer to real organ-playing you need drawbars and both Hammond and Voce make modules that will connect to your Yamaha via MIDI .

garp
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Connecticut USA

Plenty of java and Chesterfield Kings
Nov 9th, 2009 09:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The discontinued Roland items show up on eBay all the time. Just the other day, I counted eleven pre-owned Roland JV-1080s and three Korg TR-Racks for sale.

With regard to incorporating N.I.’s B4 II into a live performance set-up, the diagram below shows one possible way of doing it. This would allow you to continue using your Yamaha for its piano sounds while simultaneously utilizing it as a MIDI controller for B4 II.

schematic

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 9th, 2009 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

No problem bluelake. Its all good. Thanks for the tip on the Muse Receptor. I need it all to be as simple as possible 'cause I know nothing about midi or software.

Thanks for the schematic Garp, That's awesome.
Now I'll have to check out the NI and find out how complicated that is.

solomio

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 9th, 2009 06:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Garp

Are you persoanlly familiar with the Native Instruments’ B4 II ?

I ask because I am a total ignoramus when it comes to software and aside from that I have no patience. How difficult is it using this program or similar to get up and running with decent sounds using the schematic you provided.?
And is the sound quality dependant on the the soundcard in the computer?.
You wouldn't happen to know the minimum PC requirements in order to run that software would you?

solomio

garp
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Connecticut USA

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Nov 9th, 2009 08:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Unfortunately, I’m not personally familiar with Native Instruments’ B4 II. I use hardware synths and samplers for all of my B3 sounds. I’ve seen N.I.’s B4 II demoed online, and I once observed a studio musician using it while he recorded the soundtrack for a television commercial. I can attest to the fact that it sounded absolutely magnificent, but don’t know an awful lot about the learning curve involved or the specific PC system requirements (sorry...I’m a Mac guy). The link below may or may not be helpful in that regard.

N.I. B4 II info and demos

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 10th, 2009 04:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

alright thanks Garp.
I think I've pretty much read all I can find about the software.
solomio

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 11th, 2009 04:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So I found at Musicians Friend the NI B4 II and ordered it. Only 99 bucks figured it was a no brainer.
Not having the patience or time for tweaking I'll hopefully be able to use all of the presets.
This baby is going to add so much to our bands sound it'll be crazy.( with fingers crossed )
solomio

K9 Big Dog
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NY

Molôn labe!
Nov 11th, 2009 05:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Nice thing about the B4II is that it can be played as a stand-alone instrument without the use of another program. You might just need an ASIO driver but that's about it.

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 11th, 2009 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Aw c'mon Big Dog...just finding out necessary patch cords is gonna run me another 100 bucks and it doesn't stop there believe me!
So under what conditions would I need an ASIO Driver and to begin with, what is it?

solomio

K9 Big Dog
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NY

Molôn labe!
Nov 11th, 2009 08:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When done the easy way all it will take is a USB cable and a cable to go from your computers line out to your amp or PA.

The ASIO driver that you may or may not need can be had here...

ASIO4all...This one has worked well for me.

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 12th, 2009 04:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Big Dog.
Yes I was planning the easy way. Keyboard using Midi to USB interface to PC and PC to AMP using 1/8" - 1/8" with 1/4" adapter at AMP.

In what configuration would an ASIO driver be required?

solomio

K9 Big Dog
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NY

Molôn labe!
Nov 12th, 2009 05:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The driver may be needed for the interface to "talk" to the software. It's very small and harmless, install it on your pc and if it's needed the software will find it and make use of it. It may offer less latency than some of the windows drivers like directSound, etc.

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Nov 12th, 2009 10:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks Big Dog. And how will I know if I need one ?
solomio

K9 Big Dog
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NY

Molôn labe!
Nov 13th, 2009 07:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When you try to setup your devices it will tell you if it's missing an ASIO driver. My advice is download and install it and it'll be there if it's needed. As I said, it's a very small and harmless (only like 24kb) file to keep on your computer.

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