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prolux
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NC, USA

Oct 30th, 2009 08:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And then...only in mono mode.

:-)

willie
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Lawrenceville, GA

"I'm not joking, this is my job!"
Oct 30th, 2009 02:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

:-) Details, details....

Rick Plays The Blues

Austria

ooops, I changed that tube again ...
Nov 1st, 2009 01:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

About details: there no real mono mode on the PC. I agree to Willie that it is not really stereo, if the Chorus is not engaged, but it is two independant poweramps, each driving a single speaker, but both fed with the same mono source signal (this is different to stereo power amps used as mono amp in bridged mode). So it is like two identical 25.5W amps, both with the same omo input signal, together putting out 51W
:-)

willie
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Lawrenceville, GA

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Nov 1st, 2009 10:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

True enough my friend....though it might be more of a point to question the chorus mode being true stereo than the absence of same not being considered mono. :-)

willie
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prolux
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Nov 1st, 2009 10:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just wonder if we dissuaded VevetTiger from further consideration of the amp.

willie
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Lawrenceville, GA

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Nov 1st, 2009 02:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I hope not...over the years we've found them to be dependable, easily serviceable, with generally fine performance characteristics. The speaker flap tendencies are easily fixed, and with some effort towards refining the various settings, one can find a wide range of tonal settings that have been proven to be useful in home, studio as well as live performance.

willie
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Rick Plays The Blues

Austria

ooops, I changed that tube again ...
Nov 2nd, 2009 12:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Willie,
I know, but one thing for sure: the power amp on its own is stereo or, if you prefer, two channels. You can feed it with a true stereo signal (whatever that means to you) through the stereo effects return plug.
Coming from the HiFi view of things, it is anyway ridiculous to talk about stereo unless the guitar has stereo output e.g. three strings left and three strings right. Anything else would be a mono signal processed to a simulated stereo.

But for the original question, whether you may add the output or not, it does not make any difference. Anything related to the preamp is not point of discussion, since the power amp itself always works "however you call it" and does so either with different input signals or with the same signal for both power amps.
However you look at it, as soon as both sides of the amp get the same signal you have two separate 25.5w amps amplifying the same signal and together making up a 51w amp. No difference whether it is a 51w mono amp feeding two speakers or two separate 25.5w amps feeding one speaker each.

And yes, the PC is absolutely dependable and the clean sound is pure Fender clean without any question while the overdrive is a matter of taste but just look at it as a built in stomp box - you can use it, if you like, or you play clean or use other stomp boxes.

willie
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Nov 2nd, 2009 06:41 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

affirm on all points.... :-)

willie
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Ultrastick

USA

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Nov 28th, 2009 08:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got a minty PC that I bought on Cl for one bill. It sounded real nice with the stock speakers but I went ahead and put some Eminences in it for no particular reason.

This amp has great cleans and a chorus to die for. I haven't gigged with it except sitting in with some guys who play loud. It held its own with room to spare.

I think you'll love it. You might watch CL for a while to see what turns up. They're running around $150-200 around here.

lox

Columbus, Ohio

Docofrock
Dec 1st, 2009 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A guy in my band bought a red knob version for $100 and he likes it better than his DRRI! I haven't heard it yet but I can't believe a SS amp sounds better than a DRRI. He says he is a SS type of guy! He may be the only one on the planet that I know of who prefers SS to tube amps.

Rick Plays The Blues

Austria

ooops, I changed that tube again ...
Dec 2nd, 2009 10:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"He may be the only one on the planet that I know of who prefers SS to tube amps"

Maybe not. The Princeton Chorus clean sound is that good, that it certainly can smoke some tube amps' clean sounds. Compared with a DRRI, I am right away willing to believe that especially at lower volumes the PC sounds better - you should make a blind test :-)

lox

Columbus, Ohio

Docofrock
Dec 4th, 2009 10:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well I played it a little bit and seems to have more bass than I remember the DRRI having. So that might make it more "warm" sounding. I didn't mess with it for long but it seemed hard to get a bright enough sound (for playing old time country music for example). It was generally pleasing sound but I am used to playing a silverface DR or Vibrolux Reverb which I prefer. But that may be the best $100 ever spent on a SS amp!

BluesJazz

Estados Unidos

Expert in Primitive Strumming
Dec 4th, 2009 03:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hope VelvetTiger is OK, have not heard from him since October

Rick Plays The Blues

Austria

ooops, I changed that tube again ...
Dec 5th, 2009 01:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

lox,
if I play my PC, I absolutely not miss any treble. This amp has a lot of solid bass on offer, I agree, but also a lot of treble. What it lacks a little imo, is mid frequencies.
That also explains my eq setup for playing at home in a small room: bass: almost off - that is still sufficient bass. treble: between 5 and 6. middle: wide open, almost maxed.
Adjusted that way, there is still enough bass at least in a small room and it is very bright actually - does not work with bright od/ds pedals getting too bright then.

Ultrastick

USA

U
Dec 5th, 2009 06:28 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Well, just one more thing about my PC mentioned above. I have a Bad Monkey sitting on top and it kind of adds that tubey roundness to the notes, plus gives me an extra bass and treble EQ knob.

Also, as said, it's the perfect size for schlepping around to jams. I have my eye out for one of the DSP models. As you can tell, I sure love mine.

Rick Plays The Blues

Austria

ooops, I changed that tube again ...
Dec 6th, 2009 01:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Ultrastick, which speakers exactly did you put in?
I thought about swapping speakers for something more solid (e.g. Ragin Cajun or Copperhead) as well - would make a nice small gigging amp.

archiestone
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El Californio

Dec 9th, 2009 09:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'd like to hear what anyone thinks of the Princeton Chorus DSP. One showed up on my local craigslist and looks to be in very nice shape. Will it double nicely as an acoustic amp?

(This message was last edited by archiestone at 12:17 AM, Dec 10th, 2009)

Ultrastick

USA

U
Dec 11th, 2009 07:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Rick, sorry to take so long to reply. Been chasing around doing Christmas. I just went and checked. I have a Patriot and a Ragin' Cajun in there. I figured why get two of the same speakers. Let them each do their thang.

So far, works great. I can tell the amp is a little heavier though. Haven't tried to see how loud it will get, although I think these are more sensitive speakers and should be more efficient than the stock Jensen's.

ThomasN

Canada

Sep 1st, 2017 08:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just to close this ancient argument, Prolux is more correct. But we are also measuring two different things. Perceived volume and wattage are not the same thing.

Multiplying amps does not add their wattages as decibels. Sound pressure is not linearly additive. If you add 20 pounds to 20 pounds, you have 40 pounds. If you add 20 decibels to 20 decibels, you do NOT have 40 decibels. This is why traffic noise doesn't add together and kill you. If you combine two 100 db sound sources (two loud amps), you get 103.01 db, or about one-third of a perceived doubling of volume. Not 200 db. If volume were additive, the Rush concert I went to last year would have vaporized the audience.

Two 25-watt amps do not equal the audio output of one 50-watt amp.

There's a neat calculator here: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-spl.htm

tuninguitars

Indiana

lets take it apart
Sep 3rd, 2017 01:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

you don't understand DBs each 3+ db is double as each 3db- is half
do some research this is not my story but its what is written
https://www3.nd.edu/~atassi/Teaching/AME%2060633/Notes/Sound%20Power%20and%20Pressure%20Measurements.pd

(This message was last edited by tuninguitars at 04:03 PM, Sep 3rd, 2017)

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