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beatlefan
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Feb 13th, 2009 05:50 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am surprised at this too. I have had two sets of these and they were/are equally quiet in all positions. Pedals or gain channels often introduce noise into your signal chain that is not the fault of the pickups themselves.

Anyway, good luck to you and your tech in coming up with a solution you can live with.

-BF

FIDDLERCRAB

CANADA

Feb 26th, 2009 12:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi there, just found this topic, I've had Lace Holy Grails for several years now and mine are not totally quiet. When I spoke to Lace about this they told me that that was normal, that to have the best compromise between noise rejection and sound quality - retain as much single coil character and sound as possible - they did not wind both coils exactly the same, but purposely made them slightly unbalanced. Also, that if you wanted to specify them for maximum noise rejection, such as in the case of players who planned on using them close to a computer/monitor, they would make them with matched coils. The downside would be a slight loss of sound quality - less gritty and more stereophonic (sterile-phonic!)like - for quieter pickup. I also find them more sensitive to their installed location, ie. how much and what kind of shielding material you're using around the p/u, even whether or not it is the closest p/u to the trem block.

I did also have one fail on me recently, I was able to repair it by carefully warming up the p/u with a hairdryer to remove the cover, then find the break in the wiring. It just happened to be in one of the coils. I was able to repair it, but not without losing a several hundred ohms worth of wire off of that coil. The interesting thing was that after I reinstalled the p/u,it was now almost totally quiet, had a slightly lower output and was slightly hollow sounding and less gritty. I changed the location of this p/u from the middle to the neck position - sounds great there!

Hope this helps.

Purplejersey

Canada

Feb 26th, 2009 02:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Fiddler,

Thanks for your message. Tends to support what my tech is telling me. I'm still waiting for my tech to install 3 identical pickups (HG 1500's) in the guitar to test whether his theory about the difference between the HG1500 and the HG1000 is correct.

I'll be sure to post, either way.

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Mar 1st, 2009 11:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I got so fed up with my troubleshooting that I took the guitar into a pro tech at a trusted shop here in Toronto. Their evaluation? The middle and neck pickups in the Holy Grails simply are more noisy than the bridge pickup!"

Your 100% correct!
the neck and middle buzzed on my set just as much as stock single coils did .. NO doubt about it!
only the bridge was quiet!

Purplejersey

Canada

Mar 3rd, 2009 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For those who are interested, putting HG1500s in all three positions solved the problem.

It therefore appears that my tech was right. The HG1000 are inherently noisier than the HG1500.

amphead4
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Mar 3rd, 2009 03:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I find this surprising.

Bill D.
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Mar 3rd, 2009 08:40 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have had 2 sets of Holy Grails and this is correct. I still have one set. The neck pick-up is quieter than the neck and middle pick-ups.

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Soul2Soul
Apr 6th, 2009 05:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just installed a set of Holy Grails in my strat, and there is a tiny bit of buzz, nothing like a standard single coil, but it is there.
Also, the middle pickup is alot louder than the other two. I wonder if they were mislabeled?

When I touch the strings, they get alot quieter. I wonder if I should run ground wire from pot to pot also?
Mike

Purplejersey

Canada

Apr 8th, 2009 09:44 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Strumboli,

One thing that I learned from my experience was that Holy Grails are not truly "noiseless" by design. You still have to ground the strings, just like any other strat.

In terms of pickup balance, I can tell you that my middle and neck pups are set MUCH lower than my bridge pickup in order to balance levels (and that was the case with both the standard Holy Grails set I started out with as well as the HG1500 x 3 I ended up with).

Strumboli
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Soul2Soul
Apr 8th, 2009 06:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks PurpleJersey, I'm going to have to tweak them a bit still. I don't know if I like them or not, yet. I have been A-B'ing them with a set of Tex Mex pups, and the TM's sound so alive and responsive in comparison.

When you mentioned "grounding the strings", do you mean by touching them, or actually grounding them??
Mike

Krusty the brown

UK

Mar 8th, 2016 05:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have the same issue on the middle pup only...

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