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picapica

Sweden

Mar 20th, 2010 06:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Don vito, have you experimented more?
I will get the replacement VM head soon, after some delay. I should ask them to check it before they send it.
Just to ask you VM players again about the whooshing hiss. Is your amp totally silent on both channels in ON position (having all controls at zero), just as dead silent like in standby mode? Or can you hear ANY amount of hiss or "sound" at all from the speaker when ON? Face the speaker and listen. Just so I know what it should sound like. I'm just a little worried. Will report back when I get it.
Rock on!

(This message was last edited by picapica at 07:06 PM, Mar 20th, 2010)

Don Vito

USA MBJ

"A Newly Made Man"
Mar 20th, 2010 08:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

pica..... I have just turned my amp on to verify for you because I understand how important it is to you. .... I placed the DVM directly in front of my TV with the TV's power on and volume muted and while both channels of my DVM were with the volume turned down to 0 and I switched between both channels and.... dead silent, there is no audible hiss however you will can tell that the amp is turned on.......Don't worry about your new unit but just before you pick it up give the dealer a call and remind him of why you brought back the last unit and what your expectations are for the new unit.....

picapica

Sweden

Mar 20th, 2010 09:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks! Will do.

Bad Cat

BC Canada

Stay Tuned
Mar 25th, 2010 09:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Topic change - what delay and chorus settings are VM owners using?

Don Vito

USA MBJ

"A Newly Made Man"
Mar 25th, 2010 12:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bad..... I'm not at home so I'll look when I get there and check back in here..... Did you do any tube swapping lately and what have you come up with? Have you tried a external speaker cab? Has your speaker broken in more?.....

Bad Cat

BC Canada

Stay Tuned
Mar 25th, 2010 02:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm staying with the stock tubes for now- they sound pretty good to me. I foolishly sold an awesome 4 x 10 cab (to an idiot who parted it out) and have not since had the opportunity to try an extension. The 70/80 is breaking in nicely - sounds better each time out.

Don Vito

USA MBJ

"A Newly Made Man"
Mar 25th, 2010 02:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bad.... Yes, the Seventy/80 does seem to be improving with each play. As you know I changed out the original GT 6L6's for some RCA Blackplates and had the amp re-biased for them. I have found since that changing out V3 Preamp to a better quality (Telefunken)12AX7 does make a difference. I've kept the original GT 12AX7 in V4 (closest to the power tubes) ... seems like it has the most punch. ......

CRAIG4FSU

Savannah,Georgia,USA

Apr 12th, 2010 02:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Question:My VM showed up with a pretty vague owners manual.Is there a way to set effects for both channels and switch back and forth without having to reset everything?

Also,if i buy a band master 2-12 cab to use with my VM,will it push all 3 speakers or just the 2-12 cab?

Thanks for any info.Loving my VM so far.

djstrat

Northern California

Apr 12th, 2010 09:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

can't set the effects for each channel but hooking up a cab won't shut off the VM speaker. So in your case, you'll be pushing all 3. I do the same thing.

Don Vito

USA MBJ

"A Newly Made Man"
Apr 13th, 2010 08:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

CRAIG4FSU...... It will work IF..... the IMPEDENCE of the cabinet is 8 Ohms total (good news-The Bandmaster VM cab is 8 Ohms: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2221200000 ).... should be displayed on back of cab..... You need not be locked into any particular cabinet as Weber VST has a device that will enable you to match impedences with any other cabinet so you'd still be good to go..... let us know how you make out.... I'd be curious to get your impressions of how it sounds...... Greg Koch of Fender Marketing seems to be using your setup.... scroll down to pic:http://gregkoch.ning.com/photo/nammfender2010day123022-1?context=latest

(This message was last edited by Don Vito at 08:07 AM, Apr 13th, 2010)

picapica

Sweden

Apr 15th, 2010 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Update:
I just got my replacement Bandmaster VM head. This new one also sounds great but is also NOT silent when amp is on and all knobs are at zero. The whooshing hiss is perhaps 25% less than the previous vm. It's like hearing the high frequencies of a far away waterfall or a maxed up hi-fi speaker (without music) when facing the speaker cone. Audioable at least 10 meters away. My other amps are silent through this cab.
The serial nr for my first vm was B-435258 (made 7-12-2009), the new one is just a few nr away. Perhaps batch problems?

I'm just a little bummed that some of you report your vm's are dead silent when having the knobs at zero. Mine is dead silent if I remove the 2nd preamptube. I think the dsp goes through this tube and causes the hiss.
It seems crazy to send it back again. Any other ideas?
Most people wouldn't care about this hiss noise, I guess I'm just very picky and dislike extra noise. The VM sounds great though when I play!

Don Vito

USA MBJ

"A Newly Made Man"
Apr 15th, 2010 02:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

picapica ..... I'm sorry to hear you're still having issues..... Do you play the amp in the same room in your home where you live all the time? Can you move it somewhere else in your home? Is the wiring very old where you live? Have you played it in another location away from where you live yet? Does your dealer remember why you brought the first amp back? Why not see if they have a tech that will work with you to solve the problem... it's the least they can do..... Since the S/N's are so close it could be a bad bach of parts, etc. ....

JohnEBgood

Des Moines IA USA

Apr 15th, 2010 04:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

picapica: Could you be expecting too much and the amps are just fine? Get another guitar player's opinion.

picapica

Sweden

Apr 15th, 2010 06:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Don, I've played it in different buildings, other power outlets etc. It's the same.

John, the amp is fine, but I know the hiss noise can differ even from the same brand amp model. Years ago I had a Peavey bandit that had this much hiss. I took it to a music store and they said it was normal. A friends bandit was much quieter. I've had other amps that were dead silent. I prefer my amps silent when micing or playing at very low volumes.

However, I'm pretty sure the hiss has to do with the dsp fx and the fx signal is never bypassed. The tone knobs does nothing if volume is at zero. The hiss increases even more when I max the reverb. Also, if I turn on delay (or chorus), the tempo blinking red light makes a very low sound for every blink. Remember, I'm testing in a silent room facing the speaker cone close up, otherwise backround noise will cover it up.

I also experienced one short audio dropout fade out-fade in, and a short temporary "buzz" on the clean channel after more testing.
Perhaps something shakes loose during shipping. Should I open it up and feel that no cable or connector inside the chassi is loose?




JohnEBgood

Des Moines IA USA

Apr 17th, 2010 07:56 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

picapica: I wonder when the newness of the amp wears off you won't be as concerned about it. When I get something new I'm obsessed about it being perfect. Anyway, good luck with it.

picapica

Sweden

Apr 17th, 2010 08:48 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John, the amp sounds great. I'm just a little bummed that some get a hiss-free VM, some don't. Is there a Fender support I can contact? It would be interesting to hear what they think about this and if there is an easy fix.

When looking at the included schematics I see dsp output, input etc... Is it possible that the dsp fx output is set higher on some VM's? Can the dsp output be adjusted in the chassis? I looked at it, the dsp board, and everything was nice and tidy connected. Though most of the "flat multi cables" were angled very sharply in some places. I've read in a pedal forum that one guy fixed hiss from a pedal by straightening the "flat multi cable". Well I can't try that in the VM, it's a too tight fit.
A support link would be great.


BigBadJohn
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in the bowels of Southern Indiana
Apr 19th, 2010 05:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Noodled around with a Deluxe VM at GC the other day. They didn't have a Bandmaster with the 2x12 cab to mess with. Any of you tried both? If so what is the sonic difference between the 1x12 combo and the 2x12 stack?

Thanks in advance!

Currently own a DRRI that I love (and will keep) but I'd like something with more "oomph" for outdoor jams.

Bad Cat

BC Canada

Stay Tuned
May 6th, 2010 12:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I changed out the stock GT pre amp tube to an EH brand 12ax7 hoping to reduce the hiss on the drive channel. Now I have hiss and a hum. Has anyone experienced this?

VinceM

u.s.a.

May 14th, 2010 10:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bad Cat - I've experienced that with my Pro Junior. I swapped out the 12ax7 with both an EH12ay7 and a JAN GE 5751 and both gave me hum. I guess sometimes these amps are picky that way.

Bad Cat

BC Canada

Stay Tuned
Dec 1st, 2010 03:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just did a very loud gig using the VM Deluxe. Best brawl I've been in for a while! The clean channel set at 8, the dirt channel gain at 5 volume 7. Big, thick, howling solo tones and plenty of clean room for dynamic chording. It was all there!

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