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kcannon
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Jan 12th, 2009 07:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have noticed a couple of vocalist types here recommending this device.

For those that have it or have used it, just how does it pitch correct if you don't give it a reference key?

(This message was last edited by kcannon at 02:46 PM, Jan 12th, 2009)

kego
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Give me a second to think of something..
Jan 13th, 2009 06:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You can come over and try the one Lrgo has. Hers does more than just auto-tune (we don't actually use that part), since we bought it as a harmonizer - but it will do the auto-tune thing I'm pretty sure.



kcannon
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Jan 14th, 2009 06:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Far out! I did not know y'all had one.

kego
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Give me a second to think of something..
Jan 14th, 2009 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's substantially smarter than I am. I'm letting Lrgo drive that particular bus.

:)

gweimer
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Jan 14th, 2009 11:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm not sure how the algorithms work, but I really like mine. It's also capable of doing some vocal compression and de-essing. It makes a big enough difference in your voice that at least 1 person from the FDP Central Ohio Jam ordered one after last week-end, and a few more have been asking me about it.

From the TC-Helicon website:
VoiceTone Correct combines studio compression, tone shaping and de-essing with selectable pitch correction so you can deliver your best vocal performances. Have you ever noticed how as a singer, you seldom have control of the sound system and no sound engineer to help you get a great live vocal sound? Correct acts like an audio engineer does by reacting to your vocal sound and applying studio dynamics and EQ to bring out your best tone.


fendrguitplayr
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Apr 29th, 2009 05:35 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know someone who does a lot of solo gigs and uses one of the Digitech units. It's kind of neat as long as you don't use it too much.

One of the controls in labeled "Gender Bender" so you can have The Supremes or The Beach Boys harmonizing with you ;)

Dadical
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Aug 5th, 2009 01:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Geez! NOW I find out you guys have one of these things. I'd have loved to try it out while I was there for the Houston Jam.

I get calls and emails practically every week from a buddy in CA (about 200 miles away) who just got two of the Helicon products and is as excited as I've ever seen him about gear.

Have you used it enough to get over the honeymoon and get a real handle on what it can do? Is it tough and reliable? I read complaints about the power adaptor on MF.

I've reached the point of becoming the lead singer in a Cowboy band which is really a bit above my natural level. Will the helicon really do what they claim?

VA_Steve
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Aug 13th, 2009 10:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought one and I can tolerate listening to myself now.

Seriously, it does make a difference. I have not really fooled with the pitch correction, but I will.

Since I have really poor mic technique (especially trying to play and sing) and we don't have a soundman, it is nice to have this little box smooth things out. It really kind of is like having an engineer when you don't.



Tori
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May 10th, 2010 01:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you just want more harmonies going on when your on stage......which TC Helcion product would you suggest.....

berndog
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May 11th, 2010 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Tori

The harmony's need to be driven from an instrument ie guitar, keyboard etc. I would look at the new Harmony G xt it does harmony's which are guitar driven. I have the VL2 and it is an amazing unit but more money. The best thing about the VL2 is in a live situation you can easily turn on and off effects and be visually sure you have it right. The smaller boxes will be harder to use live. But sound wise these things are cool y0ou have a produced sound live.

Harmony G XT

gmanNJ

Joisey

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May 13th, 2010 10:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

VA-Steve- will you be coming to Clamfest? If so can you bring this unit so I can hear what it can do?

I have been looking at live condensor mics and tube preamps to get a better vocal mix but this sounds like a real gem of a unit

gmanNJ

Joisey

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Jun 19th, 2010 09:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

ok..ok... i broke down and bought one of these. Its due next week and I cant wait

I read the reviews here and on MF and for what I want i think it will fit the bill. I need to get the vocals in the front of the mix and the pitch correct will help on sustained notes(tho I dont plan on dialin it straight up as suggested- jsut 9 o'clock)

MF gives 90 days to return and I plan on using it at a couple jams and gigs with different players to see if it was worth the $249

will report back after I put it thru some paces


gmanNJ

Joisey

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Jun 28th, 2010 03:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

ok I got it and it does an awesome job of vol bal with soft spoken and loud vocals (adaptive compressor). it really cuts thru the mix (adaptive EQ). The only think is there is a kind of delay to thicken the vocals up and it almost sounds like a unison harmony -I dont know how noticable this is when the whole band is playing as i have not recorded any tunes to hear for my self. I played an outdoor party this weekend and it really made a difference. I have a large 4th of july party this weekend and i will see how it does. The pitch correction is pretty good. I keep it at 11 o'clock

i got 90 days to decide to keep it or not -thanks MF

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Aug 14th, 2010 05:03 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi guys can you give us an update on this equipment and also explain something to me.
I have to plug my guitar into this unit, I understand, however what happens with my pedal board?
Here's my situation. Playing in a trio playing classic rock. I'm not that good a singer so the first thing I need is pitch correct for if/when I go off. Also we're using the drummer's PA which features powered speakers and a small board which it's effect are not that good. So looking for a vocal enhancer ( tone, reverb, echo, doubling, anything that will make my voice sound better) along with pitch correct. The harmony capabilities are not that important to me as the bass player does a pretty good job at that.
solomio

gmanNJ

Joisey

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Aug 15th, 2010 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

this does not require an instrument input to determine key. It does take 30 seconds for it to learn your voice but I have not found this to be an issue. It has no onboard vocal effects.

what is does have is adaptive compression so singing softly and loudly will yeild the same volume- this allows you to be more expressive with your voice.

It also has adaptive EQ so you put everything on the PA board at 12 o'clock (no boost or cut) and this does the rest. It does a great job with getting vocals out above the mix

both of these can be set for automatic or you can dial it in. There is a warm button which does a good job of adding a semi tube warmth to the voice

the pitch correct is a separate foot switch and you can dial in as much or as little as you want.

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Aug 15th, 2010 04:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for that GMan.
Shucks I was hoping that ther would be some reverb, echo or whatnot which would also assist in the vocal sulpting. May have to move up a model or two.
Thanks again.
solomio

berndog
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Aug 15th, 2010 07:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Solomio, the unit I will give you an update for is the tc helicon
Voice live 2. The harmonies are driven off of a guitar or midi input. You can also tell it the key you are singing in. The guitar plugs into the unit if you have a pedal board like I do the there is a thru. For the unit the board plugs in the thru jacket and then from your board the the amp. This eliminates the guitar effects from the unit and it only uses it for setting your singing key.

The voice live 2 is really good. I wouldn't think of performing without it. It really can give your voices great produced sound. I have customized about 6 patches for the unit. From full harmonies to suble reverb or delay. There is doubling to flill your voice out and many more effects if you feel like playing with it. I have a significant control of my vocal sound and am very happy with the unit.

If you have any questions about the VL2 fire away.

Cheers Bernie

(This message was last edited by berndog at 08:39 PM, Aug 15th, 2010)

Solomio

Canada/Montreal

Aug 16th, 2010 04:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for that Bernie. The demo of that unit on the TC site blew me away. Great machine and seemed to be quite easy to operate.
The price is prohibitive and I think its got way more than I will ever need.
cheers.

solomio

JMan21

LI

Aug 25th, 2010 11:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Solomio - You may want to check out the TC Helicon G-XT. It does all that you are looking for. Really easy to operate and a smaller price and footprint.

greg1948
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Jan 12th, 2011 12:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have used the VL2 and the TC unit. We have enough singers to do harmonies now, so I don't use the VL for that. The TC wins out because of the smaller footprint and that you don't need to have the guitar in the circuit.

I did have someone ask me once, when using the TC, if I had some kind of special effect on my vocal. Probably it was the pitch correction 'doubling' my off-pitch singing. Have dialed that feature back some.

Greg

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