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ejm

usa

Apr 13th, 2009 01:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This "goverment" of which you speak works so slow that they would have to speed up to stop. It has been over 10 months and still no certificate.


Thommie
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May 7th, 2009 12:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

EJM, I am somewhat up on this stuff because my oldest son, who wrote songs, was suddenly and tragically taken from us last summer, and I am in the process of getting his last two collections copyrighted (or, more properly, getting the copyrights REGISTERED since, as was pointed out above, the copyright actually exists already).

As a courtesy, his employer put me in touch with an intellectual properties lawyer (he worked for a company that designs, implements and supports web sites for the real estate industry), who answered a lot of my questions.

This lawyer told me that the turnaround time on copyright applications submitted through the mail is at about 2 years now. Steve (my late son) had three other collections copyrighted a few years back and, yes, the turn-around time back then was about 6 to 8 months, but the lawyer told me that right now the U.S. copyright office is processing web submissions a lot faster, and that they seem to give them priority (although we're still looking at several months).

I have also been talking to a friend who owns a music publishing business. He said that only about 2% of songs that are written and submitted for publication are ever commercially viable. He also said that most successful publishing companies will not accept unsolicited material, due in part to the risk of getting sued. So the likelihood of your music being stolen is quite low.

Since you have the cancelled check and the return receipt, I'd say you are in pretty good shape in the unlikely event that somebody tries to steal any of your songs.





(This message was last edited by Thommie at 12:06 AM, May 7th, 2009)

ejm

usa

Sep 12th, 2009 09:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Just an update: 15 months and still no certificate.


ejm

usa

May 30th, 2010 10:22 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Two years and still waiting..........

ejm

usa

Jun 26th, 2010 11:14 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Got the certificate yesterday.

Approximately 2 years and 1 month.


gdw3
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Jul 8th, 2010 10:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow.

shunka
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Jan 31st, 2011 12:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

And this is the same government that runs our postal system and wants to run our ??????

durph

USA/Michigan

May 7th, 2011 07:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use the the copyright website and file electronically and I usually get a cert in 3 to 5 months which is still a long time but better than 2+ years!

Thommie
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Aug 7th, 2011 11:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Durph +1

My last copyright, submitted electrnically, only took 4 months.

I did a "hybrid" submission (submitted the info electronically but had to mail hard copies of the recordings and music, since the work was considered to be "published" already) back in the fall of 2009, and it took 9 months.

Anyway, ejm, I'm glad you finally got your certificate.

Doc Sarvis
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Dec 6th, 2011 10:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The patent office is worse...three years and counting on mine. Good luck.

Gary101

vero beach, fl

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Feb 21st, 2012 04:12 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I read once you just have to mail your song to yourself and never open it. The postal mark will contain the date. If anyone tries to use your song you have a sealed federal stamped/dated envelope. Makes sense or?

Gene O.
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Nov 9th, 2013 09:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay, time to open up this forum again! Yay!

Since I and a fellow band mate are going to embark on some songwriting, and performing those songs out, this thread seems pertinent, so I'll just extend this one instead of opening another.

Gary, what you are describing sounds like what I've heard referred to as a "poor man's copyright". I was thinking about that exact same thing this morning. If we want to write a couple songs, and play them out soon, we need protect them in some way, and the registered mail routine sounds like the way to go for quickie protection.

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

Insert clever comment here
Nov 11th, 2013 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yes, but that may not hold up in court.

An original work is technically copyrighted the second it's put into a "fixed" format -- that is, recorded or written down. That's it. BUT, if someone steals your song, you don't really have a leg to stand on to prove it's yours, UNLESS it's registered with the Copyright Office.

Mailing it to yourself is a nice idea, but it's not legal evidence. If someone else actually copyrights the stolen song, and all you have is the un-opened envelope, you still may lose the case. The only guarantee is to formally register it.

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 02:45 PM, Nov 11th, 2013)

ejm

usa

Nov 13th, 2013 09:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In court today, in this corner, we have Gene O and Gary 101, with their supposedly unopened envelope, and truth and justice on their side.

In the opposing corner we have "band x" being represented by 50 lawyers from "record company y".

OK, place your bets.

(This message was last edited by ejm at 11:38 AM, Nov 13th, 2013)

5Strats
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Nov 13th, 2013 10:18 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This thread is unbelievable! I have some new songs to copyright, but it almost seems like a waste of time and money.

ANOTHER ISSUE - My new band will be performing and ultimately recording some songs I wrote back in 2002. I can't remember if I copyrighted these or not! (:oD

ejm

usa

Nov 14th, 2013 09:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I have some new songs to copyright, but it almost seems like a waste of time and money."

Why?
In what respect?


5Strats
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THE 3
Nov 14th, 2013 10:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If it takes a year or more for my Form SR to be processed, my songs won't have any copyright protection for a long period of time.

ejm

usa

Nov 14th, 2013 06:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wrong.

You'll have protection once the CO gets your package.

It's been a while so I don't remember if they send you a receipt. I don't think so, so just to be safe, send them a package with a return receipt or registerred mail or whatever (I'm not a postal person so you may want to do your own research to see what is best for you). And pay by check. That way you'll have a check and a receipt, and can devote all of your time to becoming famous and/or creating your next masterpiece.

And let us not forget, most likely the only way someone will steal your song is if you have a song worth stealing to begin with. I think most people need to be concerned with THAT first.


5Strats
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Nov 15th, 2013 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for clarifying. I do think I have some well worth stealing.

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