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B.T.

USA

Jul 15th, 2009 10:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Smark, I am suprised that you found tape around the upper coil. Not supposed to be that way or at least it`s not called out in the production drawing. If that is the case (which would be unfortunate)then removing the covers would pose a problem.

There is a way to remove the covers safely with a little care in the process but I wouldn`t reccomend it not knowing if there is tape around the upper coil.

The cover is held in place by the magnets at both ends and is a very snug fit.

The covers can be removed by using a flat blade screwdriver inserted between the mounting tab and the cover tab at each end of the pickup. Insert the blade (not too deep) just enough to pry the cover upward from the mounting tab.

Using a little pressure raise the cover slightly upward away from the tab about 1/16th at one end, then do the same at the other end. Repeat this at both ends "inching" the the cover upward bit by bit until it clears the magnets. Once the cover clears the mags it should be loose enough to lift off easily.

Take care when installing the new covers. Sometimes the thin walls of the covers are bowed inward toward the center and need to be streched outward to provde enough clearance between the cover and the coil. Drop the cover over the coil until it is resting on the mags. Holding the pickup at each end with both hands use your thumbs to apply equal pressure to force the cover over the mags. This will vary depending on how well the mags are centered in the pickup.

The coil is protected by the cover at this point so applying downward pressure to the cover should not result in damaging the coil.

Hopefully this helps.

SMark
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Atlanta, GA USA

"Life is good when you love your tone."
Jul 15th, 2009 10:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey thanx Bill. I used your method on my replacement pickup and was able to get the cover off just fine. It wasn't nearly as tight fitting as the first one was, fortunately. So it came off pretty easily, though I took it very slow and gradual anyway. Both pickups have scotch tape wrapped around the upper coil, though the dead one clearly has a more sloppy job of it done, and leaves a number of winds of wire dangling below the coil against the bobbin edge and magnet. And it looks like it was right there than some of the tape was torn away, so that may be the "point of impact" so-to-speak.

I can't see a broken wire, but my eyes aren't that good anymore and I probably should go looking for my magnifying glass...



Wow, I just noticed that the HN pickup I bought off eBay is a bridge pickup, and it will be replacing a middle pickup. I guess the slightly wider pole spread shouldn't make much of a difference there anyway.

GoranS
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Southern Sweden

What, Me worry?
Jul 15th, 2009 11:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's an example of HN covers that have been successfully removed, dyed in coffee and put back on again using the above mentioned method.

Coffee-dyed HN's

B.T.

USA

Jul 15th, 2009 11:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

You jogged my memory on this one. I had forgotten.

There is supposed to be a small strip of tape to protect and retain the coil wires but only on one side, not all the way round the coil.





SMark
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Atlanta, GA USA

"Life is good when you love your tone."
Jul 15th, 2009 01:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The broken pickup looks to have 3 pieces of tape amounting to a complete wrap-around with a lot of overlap from piece-to-piece. The good pickup has just two pieces of tape amounting to a complete wrap-around, but with minimal overlap between the pieces. This could be key to why the broken pickup had its cover fitting so snug. But too, as I mentioned above, the broken pickup also has coil wire loosely dangling below the bobbin. These two elements probably combined to cause its death.

Lonestar68

South Africa

"Shine On"
Jul 15th, 2009 03:08 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Interesting...

My set of Hot Noiseless are still in the box, can't wait to try them in my Road Worn, even though I'm currently very happy with the CS69's.

My eyes aren't what they used to be a couple of years ago when I was still making jewellery, I'm pretty sure even with BT's instructions I'll still screw them up...I might have to ask a buddy to get the covers off. :)

Will the regular Road Worn Tex Mex covers fit on the HN's?

RicOkc

Nicoma Park, OK.

"Let the music do the talking"
Jul 16th, 2009 02:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Will the regular Road Worn Tex Mex covers fit on the HN's?"

No

greensurfer

USA

Jul 23rd, 2009 07:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

RicOkc said "No"

...too true. I searched for black covers for the Hot Noiseless, but even Fender's stock pictures for the replacement covers shows poor alignment.

Stratocasher

USA

Nothin' beats playin' guitar......
Jul 31st, 2009 10:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So SMark mentioned that the HN set comes with 1meg pots. I just found my old set of HN's and don't have the pots. What's the downside to just using the 250K's that are stock in my Am Std?

9fingers
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Jul 31st, 2009 10:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hot Noiseless are fine with 250K pots. It is the Vintage Noiseless that like the 1 meg pots. 2 very different animals.

Stratocasher

USA

Nothin' beats playin' guitar......
Jul 31st, 2009 10:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks 9fingers. Out to the work bench now. Heat up the soldering iron. :)

Hoodster

Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Aug 17th, 2009 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's an amplifier demo video I did last week (Winfield Cyclone) which features the Fender Hot Noiseless pickups.

Hot Noiseless Demo

abner
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Land of the Lobstahs

Let me check with the wife....
Aug 20th, 2009 09:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great thread, and thanks B.T. for joining us and offering us your invaluable input. And great pups too! I've read this thread a bunch of times, but have never gotten around to chiming in. I figure that it's time to put in my $0.02....

I originally bought my FHNs to go into a parts-o-caster that was based on a Cray Sig hardtail body. Unfortunately, the routes were not deep enough (like champster experienced when putting them into his 50's Classic Series). What I discovered was that certain models (the Cray Sig included) are routed to what is referred to as "vintage" specs. What this ultimately boils down to is that the pup cavities are more shallow than "modern" routes and will not take certain taller noiseless pups. It's not that they won't fit, just that it it will be impossible to lower them enough to get the ideal tone from from them. When I had them in the Cray body they were very muddy and there were overtones when picking individual strings, and I had them bottomed out in the cavities. So, my advice to those considering them is to determine if the model that they are going into has "vintage" spec routes. If it does, you may not be able to get the results that you are looking for without some major irreversible modifications to the cavities.

Needless to say, I was disappointed. But I didn't give up. I was not too keen on routing out the Cray body to accommodate the pups (which has since gotten a set of CS69s), and I had a 97 Strat Plus that I had picked up cheap. The natural finish ash body was in great shape (almost mint), but the neck was thrashed (very worn frets and lots of finish chipping on the edges and around the fret ends that is typical of the mid-late 90s maple necks). So, a few hours and a maple neck and chrome locking tuners from an AmDlx later my new #1 emerged. Her name is "Blondie", and there is a pic in my profile if you're interested. BTW - The aged white covers did appeal to me, and it was the combination of aged white and pole pieces that played a major factor in me choosing the FHNs over another set of Lace Sensors for the project.

After about 50 or so gigs she has easily earned her place as my #1, and this is due in no small part to the FHNs. They are incredibly versatile pups. No one set of pups can do it all, but these come close. They are more "organic" and natural sounding than Lace Sensors (of which I am also a huge fan) and SCNs (of which I am not a huge fan), and they are dead quiet (more so than Lace Sensors and equal to SCNs). They are full and rich when played clean (maybe not guite the range of Lace Sensors, but again - no 1 pup does it all) and incredibly responsive when overdriven. The "quack" factor in the bridge/mid position is excellent, and they cut through the mix very nicely without being too harsh. They may be a bit lacking in the "vintage" tone department, but they are all around very "Stratty" pups that offer Strat players another very excellent alternative.

My only other comment is that these pups definitely have a sweet spot that may take a little bit of effort to get dialed in, but once you do.... All smiles.

Lonestar68

South Africa

"Shine On"
Aug 20th, 2009 03:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hoodster

Very cool demo, great tones.
What happened to your Rivera?

Hoodster

Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Aug 21st, 2009 05:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow, great memory Lonestar!

I sold the Clubster. In the end I really appreciated its versatility but found it didn't have a lot of mojo and didn't do any one thing great, whereas the Winfield is certainly not as versatile but has an incredibly rich, pure tone that puts the Rivera to shame.

Lonestar68

South Africa

"Shine On"
Aug 23rd, 2009 11:07 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hmmm :)

Luckily I don't live in the USA, otherwise who knows how many amps I'd have bought and sold.

It took great effort to get my Fandango shipped to South Africa, shipping amps halfway around the world is not an easy task, in fact it's a nightmare.

That's why the Fandango will be my one and only for a very long time. :)

That Winfield sure sounds sweet.

dfosbenner

Milford, PA

Jan 8th, 2010 01:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My main Strat for years was a 2000 Hot-Rodded Texas Special that is just a wonderful guitar, and I love those Texas Special pups. When I got a second Strat, a 2004 Am Series, it seemed rather weak by comparison. Eventually I started looking at replacement pickups. I stumbled upon the Hot Noiseless, and considering all the great reviews, I decided to give them a shot. WOW! They are great!

I bought them in August '09. The pup covers practically fell off, btw, but I decided to keep them anyway. This Strat is now my Number One. The clean sounds great, but I really love the edge you get when using overdrive/gain. Such great sounding tones, and very articulate. Funny thing is, I wasn't even looking for noiseless pickups, so the noiseless was a fringe benefit.

Bill T, I've read that these pickups were inspired by Jeff Beck. How did that come about, and what was it like to work with him? I'd love to hear about that.

Hot Noiseless in 2004 American Series Strat

B.T.

USA

Jan 8th, 2010 08:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

dofs,

The "real" story behind the HN`s is not all that stellar. I guess I could fictionalize the events that led up to thier development and promote my self interests but that ain`t my style.

The bottom line is that you`re pleased with the HN`s and that for me is very gratifying.

gezza

Australia / Brisbane

Jan 8th, 2010 08:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello BT,

Thanks for the Great information.

Could I ask what your recommended Heights should be?

Fender say 8/64" For the Bass Side and 6/64" For the Treble Side.

So does that mean all the Pickups should be the same height?

If you have a preference please let me know.

Thanks,

Gezza.

(This message was last edited by gezza at 09:24 PM, Jan 8th, 2010)

benjammin420

Vancouver, Canada

Jan 10th, 2010 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I replaced the '69 pickups out of my Classic Player strat with a set of Hot Noiseless pups, and as I adjusted to the new pickups, i found myself unhappy with the performance of the tone controls i didnt like the roll off as much as with the 69s (not a creamy women tone, sounds more like theres a blanket over the amp) Im not sure if i should change the pots or the caps, or both. Do most of you use 250k pots? what value caps do you use? I cant tell what are in mine from the markings

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