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Hoodster
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Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Dec 3rd, 2008 08:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay, not so stoked--they came wired with 1 Meg pots. ARRGGHH.

Is it worth installing them to see how they sound or should I rewire with 250K?

SMark
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Atlanta, GA USA

"Life is good when you love your tone."
Dec 3rd, 2008 09:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This is the problem Fender created when they tried to "Fix" those awful Vintage Noiseless by adding pots to the packaging. They should have recalled them instead and gone back and designed them right in the first place (or... second place...). Now people (even Fender Dealers) think that all the Fender Noiseless pups need 1 meg pots. They should've never started that crap.


Sorry... I'm ranting again.


It won't hurt anything to try them, but now you likely know why they were being sold. Myself, I would try them first just because that's my nature. I mean... I discovered a few pickups that happen to like 1 meg pots just by experimenting with them...

Hoodster
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Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Dec 3rd, 2008 10:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, Mark. I actually decided to ask the seller for a refund/return, because hassling with rewiring defeats the whole purpose of buying a pre-wired assembly.

In the meantime, a dumb question I've always wondered about pot values: Will a 1 Meg pot turned down to a certain level sound the same as a 250K on 10? In other words, does a 1 Meg tone pot have everything a 250K has plus more?

(This message was last edited by Hoodster at 10:24 PM, Dec 3rd, 2008)

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Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Dec 5th, 2008 07:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Mystery solved--upon closer inspection, the guy had sold me Vintage Noiseless advertised as Hot Noiseless (hence the 1 Meg pots). In the pics I couldn't tell the script was gold instead of silver.

Upside, full refund plus more than return shipping cost. Now it's back to the hunt for HN's....

Bughat

USA

Dec 6th, 2008 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I found the patent for the Vintage Noiseless by BT. Patent # 6291759B1 but I canít find the patent for the Hot Noiseless. If anyone knows please let me know.

(This message was last edited by Bughat at 12:24 PM, Dec 6th, 2008)

B.T.

USA

Dec 6th, 2008 07:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Bug,

There is no patent for the HN`s and I wouldn`t persue one. The basic design is pretty much public domaine, it just depends on how you mold the platform.

Hoodster, it sounded like you got the VN kit instead of the HN`s. I know it`s after the fact but the whole indentity VN / HN mix up continues to be a frustrating situation for which I am partly to blame.


Hoodster
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Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Dec 13th, 2008 09:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

9Fingers, I just reread this thread and noticed you too have the Deaf Eddie Fat-o-caster switching. I have one of his "Memphis Mods," with 11 different pup combinations. It works pretty well with the stock AmSe pups, but wasn't sure how the different series settings would sound with the Hot Noiseless.

Sounds like you're pretty stoked with it, but any further input much appreciated. I especially use the bridge/mid in series.

Memphis Mods

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Floe, WV

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Dec 13th, 2008 01:24 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just have the basic Fatocaster switch on my Beck Strat with HN's. It works well- there is something useful in all the tone options (I also have it on another guitar with Duncan APS-2 pups). My fav with the HN's is the simple neck + bridge in parallel setting- gets into Tele territory. The series combos with the HN's are real BIG!

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Las Vegas Nevada USA

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Dec 13th, 2008 03:47 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

When installing Hot Noiseless PUPs in (for instance) my MIM Classic 70s assembly ... is it as simple as pulling out the factory PUPs and soldering the HNs in their places?

Somehow that just seems too simple to me.

Hoodster
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Mike in Oregon

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Dec 13th, 2008 03:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, 9--I went ahead and ordered some. I had originally planned to keep my Fat-O assembly intact with the AmSe pups, but I'm going to go ahead and pop the Hot Noiseless in there and see how she flies.

Blonde, it really is that simple to swap most pups, although some have had problems with the HN's being too deep for some body routs, especially on the vintage reissues.

Hoodster
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Mike in Oregon

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Dec 21st, 2008 09:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

OK, took the opportunity of the blizzard yesterday (snowed in with 2-3 feet here in the Columbia River Gorge) to install the HN's in my 2001 AmSe. I was stoked that the Deaf Eddie Fat-O-Caster wiring didn't add any complexity to the project as I'd feared.

Anyway, first impressions of the pups are mixed. As you guys reported, there is not much increase in output, which is fine. I like the bridge pup best, and as 9 reported, these sound great in series with the Fat-O switch. Middle pup also nice, but I'm less impressed with the in between settings--pretty weak quack. Not as organic sounding to me as true singles, which I guess is to be expected. A little hi-fi.

So, how do you guys best dial these puppies in? Like any single coil, or do they prefer lower or higher?

Thanks!

(This message was last edited by Hoodster at 11:13 AM, Dec 21st, 2008)

achord

USA

Dec 21st, 2008 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hoodster, I hope you can find the right tone you are looking for by adjusting the height of the pickups. My Hot Noiseless pickups are set high and I am really satisfied with the tone, especially in the neck position.

BT, Thank you very much for the Hot Noiseless and for continuing to share your knowledge and experiences.

slegros

Japan

Feb 19th, 2009 06:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Its really great that Bill Turner would take the time to address this forum. A few questions for Bill if I may;
I read that you based your design for the HN on one originally done by John Suhr, and that Jeff Beck uses the prototype Suhr pickups? Is that true or is Beck now using the HNs? How close are the 2 designs?

B.T.

USA

Feb 19th, 2009 10:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Slegros,

As far as I know Beck is using the HN`s. The designs are different but yield basically the same result. While I was aware John`s design I did not use it as a reference (with regard to specs)when creating the HN`s.

The HN`s have a little more output than the Suhr protos by virtue of a stronger magnetic field but they are probably close tonally.

Hoodster

Mike in Oregon

U can add dirt, but U can't add clean
Feb 19th, 2009 01:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My HN's continue to grow on me by the day. They are wonderfully versatile and are especially great for live and recording applications.

slegros

Japan

Feb 19th, 2009 08:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks very much Bill for your reply! I love my HNs. On several forums it has gone around that Beck is not using them and is using the Suhrs. Thanks for the clarification. Its only right that you get the credit for your work, you did a great job on these!!!

B.T.

USA

Feb 21st, 2009 08:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Slegros,

All the forums provide fodder for the rumor mill. Beck doesn`t know what pickups are in his guitars, only his tech knows and his sound man has the last word.

Thanks for the compliment.

greensurfer

USA

Apr 21st, 2009 08:11 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This article was a great find for me.
I have loved the sound I get with the HNs on my Jeff Beck 04 Strat. Does this design have a different resonant peak than similar pups? Also-does part of it's sound come from what it picks up in the body resonance of the guitar (under the pickguard) due to the way the poles go through the HNs?

I ask because I have an incredible looking "acid washed" metal pickguard from the Custom Shop that I have installed on the JB. Only if I use higher gain settings (that work great with the JB with the original guard) the guitar puts out a microphone-quality feedback that can only be tamed by backing the volume down to 4 or 5 and or the tone to 6 or 7. This ultimately changes the entire tone that I had been using.

Would making a thin plastic guard to go under the metal one alleviate this issue? I have tried using adhesive aluminum foil and it had some, but very little, affect on the issue.

greensurfer

USA

Apr 21st, 2009 08:16 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As an added note of information, my JB model is body routed for H-S-H. I am curious if the extra space is allowing for a feedback loop to create under the hood.

B.T.

USA

Apr 21st, 2009 11:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Surfer,

Is the guard steel ? If so that`s where the problem lies. The guard becomes part of the magnetic field and essentially spreads the field through the guard. The gaurd is now acting as part of the pickup, the same as a Tele bridge pu mounted in the steel plate.



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