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FDP Forum / Tin Pan Alley - Songwriting / MasterWriter software

DaleB
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Canada

Jul 13th, 2008 12:54 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Did a search and was surprised no one has mentioned this software package for lyric writing. I've had it for a couple of years, and found it very helpful. I've managed to find imperfect rhymes that I would never have thought of without it.

There's a Flash video tour of its features on their site that is well worth a look.

A warning though... the tape recorder audio looping function isn't implemented on the Mac version last time I checked.

MasterWriter

DaleB
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Canada

Jul 29th, 2008 08:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

wonder / summer
tryin' / island

I usually manage to think of at least a few good rhyming words on my own. It's just that Masterwriter usually doubles the number of options available. It's nice to have options.



benjybeaver
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Age is a number..."Old" is an attitude.
Nov 18th, 2008 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

with all due respect, ask any song writer of note if they use this type of crutch. Songwriting is an organic function...if not just have "Big Blue" write it for you. What would be the point.

Mauer and Verson

DaleB
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Nov 20th, 2008 10:27 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

So, if I get your drift... real songwriters don't use rhyming dictionaries. Hmmm. Didn't know that. I'll have to tell my friend who's a staff writer in Nashville. And who showed me a software rhyming dictionary she uses.

kve
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Nov 21st, 2008 04:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use an on-line rhyming dictionary all the time. I went through the masterwriter demo, looks interesting. If it was real cheap, I might consider it.

Kevin

Free On-Line Rhyming Dictionary

benjybeaver
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Nov 21st, 2008 06:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"So, if I get your drift... real songwriters don't use rhyming dictionaries. Hmmm. Didn't know that. I'll have to tell my friend who's a staff writer in Nashville. And who showed me a software rhyming dictionary she uses."

To a certain extent, yes. I have one too, however, I use only in the most extreme cases of mental block. Otherwise, IMHO, writing is organic, and endemic to the person. When I have to rely upon some mechanical function to "help" me create, then I might as well give writing credit to the software engineer, since it is they who assembled the "rhymes'", and "alliterations" that I am using.

Edited to add, I am not talking about a rhyming dictionary, and neither are you. You are showing an elaborate computer program. I too, have dictionaries, thesaurus's, etc. To reiterate, I use them as a tactic of last resort.

Mauer and Verson

(This message was last edited by benjybeaver at 06:50 AM, Nov 21st, 2008)

DaleB
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Nov 21st, 2008 08:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"Edited to add, I am not talking about a rhyming dictionary, and neither are you."

If you'll re-read my messages, you notice I was in fact only referring to the rhymes it offers. Nothing else. The program might offer other features, but I don't use those. Not because they wouldn't be helpful to some people, but because the projects I tend to work on (commissioned pieces with strict content parameters) don't lend themselves to that kind of lyrical freedom to wander.

(This message was last edited by DaleB at 09:02 AM, Nov 21st, 2008)

mark bjorke
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Nov 24th, 2008 08:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Itís natural for some people to be resistant to innovation. When I was a very young man I got in an argument that drew a crowd at a mall with an organ salesman over the first version of a keyboard that did some of the work for you. You know it played the left hand part and drums probably. This was before Casio even. My position was that it would destroy creativity. Itís turned out otherwise. ; )

Thereís nothing wrong with sticking to a quill pen and parchment if thatís what you like.


Rasmuth

Upstate NY, USA

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Jul 13th, 2009 04:07 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would bet more people use these tools than care to admit it, even pro's and they would certainly never admit it.

I have used it on occasion, it can be very helpful.

Rasmuth Rock

Tad Troilo
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Jul 13th, 2009 05:46 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Rasmuth...how have you been? Still have the radio show?

PigfarmerJr

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Aug 23rd, 2009 07:20 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another one of those crutches.. I mean helpful hands:

Another on line rhyming dictionary - under construction but good

DaleB
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Canada

Sep 18th, 2009 01:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for the link, PigfarmerJr. I like the fact that you can also look up words that begin or end with particular spellings. I won't bore you with why I find that useful (in my case, it has nothing to do with songwriting, actually.)

By the way, I'm re-reading Jimmy Webb's book "Tunesmith". Here's his take on rhyming dictionaries (page 53):

"some songwriters believe strongly that writers should resort only to those words that are already contained in their heads. There is a rationale for this belief, but I prefer to ignore it and regard the rhyming dictionary as an enormous resource. "

If it's good enough for Jimmy Webb, it's good enough for me.

DaleB
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Canada

Sep 19th, 2009 01:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was listening to a radio show today and they were talking about a lyric writing technique used by David Bowie and others (Lennon and Dylan were also practitioners apparently). It's called cut-up. Prior to computers, a lyricist (or novelist) employing this technique would literally cut-up a newspaper, mix up the pieces, and then randomly join words and phrases together.

Now, in these days of computers, there are websites and software programs that do the "cutting up" for you. Tonight I downloaded the 30 day trial on Liptikl.

There's a school of thought that creativity requires a certain amount of "noise" mixed in with the "signal". That "noise" is most often something random and unanticipated. These software programs might just be a way of increasing the "noise" the thus the creative potential of your lyric writing sessions.

Liptikl

jesse1d

canada

Jun 9th, 2010 08:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If you think of songwriting as a craft these tools are useful within that framework. If you think of it as an art then you may look at, for example, "Masterwriter" as a crutch or even cheating. But, I'll bet more work (songs) get completed using these tools, and for that alone it has it's uses.

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