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matsuba

uk

Nov 16th, 2007 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

bought my Eric Johnson strat about two years ago and it has been worth every single penny. However, last night I went for the first guitar lesson I've ever had and the teacher reckons I've been 'had', so to speak.

The cause of his concern is the Fender decals/logo etc on the headstock face. He says that they should have been put on before the lacquer was applied (he has an 80's Tele and its obviously been applied in a very different process) unlike mine where you can visibly see and feel that they are on the SURFACE of the lacquer. Infact, during an early days polish I very nearly rubbed the 'original contour body'sticker off!!

So could anyone give me any info if their guitar is the same as mine and if this is current normal standard Fender practice to put the logo on after lacquer or is this just how they did it in the 50's as the EJ strat has a very vintage vibe??

Not that it matters because I do love this guitar but can anyone please settle my mind?!?!?

KC Fender Fan

USA

Nov 16th, 2007 02:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

Vintage Fenders have the Fender logo and Original Contour Body ON TOP of the Lacquer. So, reissues and some others, including the Eric Johnson, have the decals on top of the finish. Newer Fenders have the finish over the top of the decals, which obviously makes them much more durable, but is not vintage correct.

Does your guitar have the EJ neck plate and a serial number staring with EJ? Does it have staggered style vintage tuners? If so, I'd say you don't have much to worry about.

mortar
Contributing Member
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Tulsa, Ok.

Nov 16th, 2007 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

Time for a new teacher if he doesn't even know the scope on Fender guitars.

;~)

Ron S
Contributing Member

UK

Nov 16th, 2007 02:08 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm pretty sure your teacher is just misinformed bud. I'm not too up on EJ's but decals over lacquer is a very common custom shop and vintage thing. Strikes me that EJ would ask for that.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge can confirm.



The Outpatient
Contributing Member
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N.Y. USA

I'm bored.
Nov 16th, 2007 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

"The cause of his concern is the Fender decals/logo etc on the headstock face. He says that they should have been put on before the lacquer was applied "

NO

Don't know about the EJ's but my 62 AVRI's decal was put on after the lacquer was applied just like they did it in the day for Grandpa Outatients Stratocasters.

Your teacher needs to get his facts straight. Turn him onto the FDP and we'll edumacate him.

American Vintage

USA

Nov 16th, 2007 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

Your teacher is not familliar with USA made reissue style Fenders. The decal is on he laquer.

You'll find that the import reissue style guitars have the decal applied under the finish.

It also does not mean you need a new teacher. Knowing the differences between all the different types of Fender guitars out there does not have anything to do with their ability to teach how to play guitar. :)

matsuba

uk

Nov 16th, 2007 04:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well first let me say thank you all for such a quick response. This is the first time I've posted and I'm truly amazed.

I never even considered that my EJ was anything other than the real deal. It's all there...the correct neckplate, serial number, headstock and wonderful full gorgeous ringing tones that I've never even come close to with my other strat-a-likes.

The thing is that it was just the last reaction I ever expected when I finally took my EJ out in public. I was expecting awe and wonder!! He just seemed so sure that I was owed some kind of compensation from the shop where i bought it from and that I could sue them(!!!).I guess he just put a tiny amount of doubt in my mind and its been bugging me all day.

So anyway, thank you ALL for your replies, its VERY much appreciated :-)

Electron
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Heart of Darkness

There's a light, that never shone on me.
Nov 16th, 2007 06:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

Go easy on the guy; you don't have to be a Fender trivia expert to teach music.

Let him know what you found and read how he responds. The best teacher knows when to learn from the student.

LeftRightOut

Australia

too many guitars and not enough hands
Nov 16th, 2007 10:39 PM   Edit   Profile  

mate i reckon your teacher was just jealous ;)

OST

United States

Nov 16th, 2007 11:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think the guy was cool for looking out for you.

"Friends don't let friends play fakes."

Bach5G

Canada/BC

Nov 16th, 2007 11:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

He didn't offer to buy the "fake" EJ from you, did he?

adrian jordan
Contributing Member

United Kingdom

Guitar?..."Check", Microphone?..."Check"
Nov 17th, 2007 12:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

Personally I think that some guitar teachers should learn more about the instrument they teach, not just how to play it.

My teacher was an excellent teacher in the technique stakes (shame about the student!!), but he didn't seem to have a clue about what strat I should buy when I asked his advice...

Mike the marksman
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Baghdad, Iraq

smells like,,,camp victory
Nov 17th, 2007 01:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

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(This message was last edited by Mike the marksman at 11:42 AM, Sep 24th, 2018)

ashley

canada

Nov 17th, 2007 01:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

you can't put fender water slide decals under a nitro finish.

the EJ is nitro with waterslides.






jimihen

USA/Japan/Africa/UK

Nov 17th, 2007 11:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

check it out ! It may not be waterslide decals.
If I am not wrong, I do not see any decal line
from any pictures from Fender pages nor
any dealer photos.


orvilleowner
Contributing Member

USA

My other guitar is a Strat.
Nov 17th, 2007 11:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

Huh?

Well check out these pics that clearly show it.

custom shop relic

matsuba

uk

Nov 18th, 2007 03:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

I do think he was only trying to look out for me but on this occasion I think he defo got it wrong. I mean how could something that plays and sounds this good be a fake?

He seemed to be more of a Jazzer and an archtop/acoustic player more then anything and he was even talking about selling his Tele. He said he was gonna ask his mate who is an 'expert' on these matters what he thought about the decals but I instantly knew who I was gonna ask...thanks again lads!

mfitz804
Contributing Member
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Staten Island, NY

I'm dizzy from the twist of fate.
Nov 18th, 2007 06:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

Lets be honest...some people are not gear whores like the rest of us and simply wouldn't know a slight difference like that. I am assuming that a guitar teacher spends more time playing than hoarding and/or discussing gear (not that there's anything wrong with that, I am a hoarder).

Daribo
Contributing Member

England

It's not about speed, it's about TONE
Nov 19th, 2007 04:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

That's all fair enough, but he shouldn't start speculating on things he's not informed about. I wouldn't expect a guitar teacher to be an expert on every model of Strat/Tele/Les Paul etc, but at the same time I don't think it's fair to start speculating on fakes and suggesting a student might have one unless you are!

dadidona
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Dallas, TX

"I left my wah-wah pedal on the bus..."
Nov 21st, 2007 09:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

The EJ decal is applied over the finish, as are all AVRI strats. No question.



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