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okies

USA

Dec 7th, 2007 06:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Can anyone recommend a good set of drop in tuners for a Dot? My stockers just won't stay in tune.

Bubbalou
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USA

"Out on a Plank"
Dec 7th, 2007 09:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I put some Gibson tuners on my Epi Les Paul Studio.
I have the MH-025. They are the modern. They have vintage also.

Check it out

okies

USA

Dec 8th, 2007 09:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Those tuners look sweet, I wonder if they will drop into a Dot, anyone know if a Dot has 10mm holes? also, how about some opinions on the stock Dot bridge, is it worthwhile to upgrade it to a Tone Pros or Gotoh or something. If so, why, and which one is best for the money and which models fit the Dot?

(This message was last edited by okies at 09:06 AM, Dec 8th, 2007)

Droydx

USA/California

......Fun ain't cheap!
Jan 4th, 2008 04:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I put a set of Sheptone vintage PAF's in mine and changed out the wiring harness with a Mojotone assembly. The difference is remarkable...loads of harmonics and extemely clear clean sounds when I want them. If you haven't checked out Shep's work : http://www.sheptone.com/ He was great to deal with and shipped fast. I don't have any issues with my Dot deluxe, it was $299.00 at MF, and with the upgrades I still have less than $600.00 into the thing.
Andy

Blues_N_Rock

USA

Jan 5th, 2008 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Droydx - I was wondering what made you go with the Sheptone's PAF PU? I visisted the site and the sound samples are great. But so many others also recommended SD Seth Lovers and 59s, Gibson's 57, etc. I never heard of Sheptones before.

Droydx

USA/California

......Fun ain't cheap!
Jan 5th, 2008 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Droydx - I was wondering what made you go with the Sheptone's PAF PU? I visisted the site and the sound samples are great. But so many others also recommended SD Seth Lovers and 59s, Gibson's 57, etc. I never heard of Sheptones before.

A friend of mine put a set on a LP. I was able to listen to these..., sounded like the tone I wanted. Shep does hand wind every pick up, and he doesn't pot the PUPS as standard, that is very different. (You can have him do that if you want. He also does some deals on FleeBay, so check there, too. That's where I purchased mine. Shep has a big backing in the LA music/west coast area, and his communication is great. If you want something special, or have questions, he's quick to respond. That means alot to me. Kinda cool he puts actual sound samples to check out too.
You won't go wrong with the 490's, etc, but I just thought that Sheptone had better harmonics and clearer tones.
I played the DOT today and it was GROWLIN'
Dx


Twangmeister
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Jan 31st, 2008 07:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I don't understand why there are so many people who hate these Epi pups. I understand that they are not the same as or as good as the Gibson ones but they seem perfectly adequate to me, considering the cost."

They actually are pretty good pickups. I owned a Dot for over two years and was dissatisfied with the pickups in comparison to Reverend's more sparkly humbuckers and Duncan humbuckers. Just before I traded it for another guitar I noted that the louder I played tyhe Dot the better the stock pickups sounded.

Leftee
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NC

Jan 31st, 2008 07:45 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The pickups in my (2006) Dot were muddy sounding. If I would have kept the guitar I would have changed them.

musicalmartin

UK

Mar 9th, 2008 04:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm installing Toneriders and changing all the hardware to nickel. Gotoh bridge and Tailpiece and Grover vintage style tuners/I agree the stock pickups which in my case are the alinco USA designed ones are pretty good .I am just curious as to what others sound like .
The Epi Dots are very good guitars and I think its a shame that Gibson make cheap poorly finished copies of them.....at least the one I played was ...LOL

Purple Valley
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Mar 9th, 2008 05:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've got a Dot Studio. I don't know if the pups are the same as the ones in the other Dots or not. FWIW, I also would describe them as "dark" sounding, but not muddy. They have a very distinctive voice, to me kind of like a 335 with a blanket over it, but not really in a bad way. I really like the way this guitar sounds - though I probably will replace the pups at some point, to have a more open-sounding, singing guitar. These pups sound almost compressed, compared with PAF-type Gibson HB's, and with a huge lower-mid spike. I wouldn't call them muddy, though. They're pretty articulate, and distort very nicely. Kind of lush and dark.

musicalmartin

UK

Apr 8th, 2008 07:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The Tonerider Rocksongs in my Dot are just great .superb tone from them,clear or distorted a bit .I play mainly blues and jazz and I find them very good for that ,with a nice pop to the tone that makes it stand out without being harsh ,Very impressed .I am sure they sound better than the 335 I tried but its only from memory .I just dont remember the rich full tone from the Gibson,its immediately obvious with the Toneriders on any amp setting . .I am trying a set of Telecaster Toneriders as well just to see how good they are but the ones in my Dot are stayers.

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Gulf Coast USA

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Apr 24th, 2008 05:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Great review. I have two stock import Epis, a Sheraton II and a Casino. They are fantastic instruments in my view, even more so considering their price points.

Let me try and explain how much I like these import Epis--I have two other Casinos--a JL Rev, and a JL 1965 Refurb, both with the Gibby P90s, lacquer, yada, yada....and I still have my Korean Casino.

Bill

teledeluxe

Chicago, IL

2 wrongs don't make a right/3 lefts do
Feb 16th, 2010 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm in the minority here. I had a Dot for about 6 months and I thought it both felt and sounded cheap. The pickups are definitely a little dark. Had I kept it, they would have been swapped out for sure. My real dislike however was with the frets. Whatever they use in Korea for their frets, the metal is softer and I could never get used to how the felt when fretting chords and bending strings. I can only describe the feeling as scrapey. The bridge itself also seemed really cheap.

A guitar luthier friend of mine refretted his Epi SG and that thing is now AWESOME. I should have had him do that for my DOT.

D Rogue
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Hollister, CA

Is it supposed to make that sound?
Feb 17th, 2010 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a used 2000 Epi Dot a few weeks ago and really enjoy playing this guitar. The neck and frets feel great.

I do think the pups (Designed by Gibson USA - with the stickers still on them when I got it) sound dark, and maybe a little muddy, but after trying some of the suggestions in the "Return of the Epi Dot" thread they do sound a little better. I may end up replacing the pups, but I'm in no rush so I will give the stock pups an opportunity to shine... if they can.

Bubbalou
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USA

UPPER TEJAS
Feb 17th, 2010 08:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

♦Nice Guitar Clark

I put some Gibson Tuners on the Epi LP Studio I had.
Also, Grover Titan's may work.

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 08:57 PM, Feb 17th, 2010)

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Universe of Tejas

Bluz Cowboy
Mar 2nd, 2010 08:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I see you guys raving about Tonerider pups. I looked up a dealer on the Web, and they seem to be priced at $100 a set. If these pups are as good as you guys say, that might be good.

I am thinking about getting a Dot, and seeing the reviews makes me more interested. I hope I can make the stock pups work for me.

Gundecker

U.S.A

Dwell endowed.Notoriusly cheap bastard.
Dec 9th, 2010 07:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a late '90s Epi Dot in the tobbacco 'burst all stock except some fancy german made bridge the previous owner had put on. Since I have only two main guitars I gig with,When I play the Epi I hit the bright switch on my amp and presto! No "muddy" sounding pups. Cranking the mid and treble on the amp might do the same.Work with it before you condemn it. Result may vary.

Twangmeister
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Jan 21st, 2011 01:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My 2009 MIC natural Dot has fairly decent sounding pickups. These are certainly an improvement over the dark pickups on my 2005 MIK Dot.

Setting the pickups low cuts down their middy/bassy tendancy

budg
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ohio

Home of the Goodyear blimp
Jan 22nd, 2011 06:39 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just picked up a new Dot Deluxe for 350 because it had a slight imperfection at the first fret .Doesn't interfere with the playability at all.I have some high end strats (a SRV and a 59 thinskin).I was looking for a humbucker sound for a decent price.Really love this guitar.Beautiful finish and sounds pretty decent.I have a blues jr that has been sitting in a closet and it brought this amp to life.I changed the knobs to gold top hats and will be eventually be modding this guitar .The neck on this thing is amazing.Nice and beefy.Good fret work.I set up the guitar to lower the action as it was a tad high.I will be swapping out the pickups at some point .Mostly they sound good,but when arpeggiating chords they sound kind of muddy.Other than that, a real nice guitar for the money.

Bluesdoc1952

usa

workin' on a highline...baby
Feb 15th, 2011 03:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I was disappointed by the stock version of the Dot. The pickups were too muddy and the electronics needed upgrade. I sold mine rather than putting in the investment and time. With the upgrades, it could be a pretty neat guitar.I looked for soemthing better. Got a MIM Esquire.

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