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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Can one learn to play jazz without becoming a jazz player?
FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Can one learn to play jazz without becoming a jazz player?
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Sideways Jaye
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And I'm Super Bad...Feb 1st, 2007 12:49 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Stella By Starlight is an awesome tune. Very fun to improvise on.
The point of learning tunes is so that you have some common ground with other players. The best thing I ever did was to change my jazz study focus to learning a lot of tunes functionally well.
Now, I can hang in there in a lot more playing situations and that experience is helping my improvising skill more than anything else ever has.
FlackBase
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Rap: so easy a rapper could do itFeb 1st, 2007 01:03 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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This is pretty much what I suspected. Sounds like it's not impossible, but learning standards would be more facilitative to the learning process.
I hear some of the fusion guys (Carlton, Ford) who on occasion do play what I consider to be straight jazz, doing their own things without really doing solo or group standards. It seems like if they really spent a lot of time doing standards, you'd hear 'em play a few once in a while.
Regarding improvisation, I think that there is a limit to what you can "learn" or "be taught".
Talent and inborn musical creativity probably have as much to do with these "magical" abilities of (whom I consider to be) the greats, as does study and practice.
Still, I think I want to at least test the waters.
gdw3
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Umm... uh.... insert clever comment hereFeb 1st, 2007 01:04 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I don't see the big problem. Can't you just pick out tunes, like that Pat Methany tune, which you find more interesting to learn? The changes in that tune are very common to many jazz tunes.
Also, I think maybe you have a narrow view of what you consider "standards". Have you ever seen how many fake books there are out there, and how many tunes are in them? I'd be willing to bet there are many "standards" which you've never even heard. Plus, even the tunes you have heard many times are often interpreted in cool new ways by players, which you can also do yourself.
Tyrone Shuz
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Tyrone Shuz & His Funky BluzFeb 1st, 2007 04:11 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Methinks you might actually learn to like/love the standards once you see how they work. They are often much more fun to play than to listen to.
"Stella" is a very challenging and beautiful tune, btw, as SJ points out. It modulates a bunch but totally sounds like one tune, i.e., not like a Rush song.
Learning standards is the closest thing to a "shortcut" in jazz. A few very intuitive players have never learned the theory but have learned so many tunes the hard way (by ear or eye w/no theory/improv training) they just know what to play.
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