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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Fender HW1 nitro finish buff to a shine?
(This message was last edited by dremelfender at 05:44 AM, Oct 8th, 2006)
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Fender HW1 nitro finish buff to a shine?
(This message was last edited by yes9310 at 09:21 AM, Oct 16th, 2006)
FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Fender HW1 nitro finish buff to a shine?
Lichtenveldt
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The Netherlands
When it was good enough for Jaco....Oct 6th, 2006 01:32 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Hi guys, can I buff the nitro finish on a HW1 buff to a shine? Any suggestions? I can buy a new HW1 body in nitro but I want it to have more shine that's why.
Thanks,
Dennis.
richpre
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u.s.a./Jersey City
THERE AINT NO LIFE NOWHERE!Oct 6th, 2006 06:18 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I got one of the older (2005 Cocoa) ones and I'm on the precipise of buying one of the new ones and to be honest, the flat finish is cool as hell IMHO. I'm leaving mine alone....I just polish it to keep it clean!
JerseyDevil
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Central Jersey
New Jersey (Exit 10 or Exit 131)Oct 6th, 2006 06:35 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I had a small area of bubbling in my nitro and used Fender's swirl and scratch remover to get rid of the bubbles and it polished up really well. Took a lot of work though.
DoctorAmpVonCamp
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"Can I plug into your Amp for a while?"Oct 6th, 2006 06:44 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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richpre,
IM with you, I have a first year HWY1 blonde, serial #395 and the finish wears off and starts to look like an old relic.
What I like about this finish is the axe can breath and the moisture will bleed and help dry this guitar and make it weight less.
Like my new chrome blue 1997, the paint finish seals in the moisture and it will not dry out as fast as the HWY1.
My HWY1 is under 7 lbs. , it's light as can be.
dremelfender
NorwayOct 6th, 2006 08:15 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I just polished up 2 Highway bodies, one blone and one 3-tone. Wetsanded with 1000 grit and used auto swirl remover to polish to shine. I don't like them too shiny hence the 1000 grit/swirl remover combo. Just be careful when sanding to avoid sanding through thin finish (especially at the edges). Tried buffing with machine but ended up hand polishing. It takes longer but is safer and more controlled.
orvilleowner
USA
My other guitar is a Strat.Oct 6th, 2006 10:15 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I hand polished mine to a shine using 3M Rubbing Compound. I didn't sand it first because I wasn't sure how thick the clear coat was. Anyway, it was easy and turned out great. It took a little time and some old terry cloth towels. I did little areas at a time. It's nice and shiny now.
alk-3
CanadaOct 6th, 2006 05:06 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Hey DoctorAmpVonCamp.
Your guitar is not going to get any lighter. Guitars are made from kiln dried lumber and are at their driest the moment they come out of the kiln. If anything they will take up some moisture to equalize than loose it again as the relative humidity changes seasonally. Either way the amount of moisture being absorbed and released is so small that changing string gauge would make a far greater difference in weight.
orvilleowner
USA
My other guitar is a Strat.Oct 6th, 2006 07:33 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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'"rubbing not polishing compound?"
Yes. The word "polish" is ambiguous. Most of the guitar polishes are actually cleaners that (hopefully) take off dirt and fingerprints to get back to the nice shiny new look. You actually need a bit of abrasive material to take the satin to a gloss.
The 3M stuff I used is "Part No. 03900" and is intended for cars with clear coats. It says "this product safely and effectively removes grade 1500 or finer sanding scratches, medium oxidation, coarse swirl marks or water marks, and leaves a fine finish." It's the last step in a sequence of sanding, going from coarse to fine.
I believe that anything that says it removes swirl marks could be used to give the stock Highway One finish a shiny gloss (without significantly thinning the clear coat). I don't know how long you'd have to rub with this stuff to get down to the wood, a long time I think, way past the time it takes to gloss it up.
Have fun. It works.
Ayrton
Atlanta, GeorgiaOct 6th, 2006 08:09 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I used some 3M mild polish and it came out nice. Just hand rubbed it.
Ayrton
Atlanta, GeorgiaOct 7th, 2006 12:22 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I used 3M plastic polish, but final finish would work as well.
orvilleowner
USA
My other guitar is a Strat.Oct 7th, 2006 12:49 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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strat les sg, if you're a car/bike paint guy, you should know what to use? no?
Some guys here will confuse polishing compound with guitar polish. It's true that there are different grades of rubbing/polishing compound. Like Ayrton said, some "final finish" stuff should do the trick. A place like Stew-Mac sells 4 grades of Polishing Compound, coarse to fine. I figure my 3M "Rubbing Compound" #03900 is somewhere between Stew-Mac's #3 and #4 stuff.
I don't have any pics of it, sorry to say. But I would say it ended up looking like the "Thin Skin" models I've seen!
Lichtenveldt
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The Netherlands
When it was good enough for Jaco....Oct 7th, 2006 01:29 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Thanks guys, I have the Stew mac swirlremover, I think I will try that first.
Dennis.
dremelfender
NorwayOct 8th, 2006 05:41 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Lichtenveldt, if you look carefully at the paint's surface you might notice slight orange peel. If you want a flat shiny surface my advice is to wetsand first. Just remember to be careful to avoid sand throughs...use a light hand!
Lichtenveldt
Contributing Member
The Netherlands
When it was good enough for Jaco....Oct 9th, 2006 12:25 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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dremelfender what grit do you recommend?
Thanks,
Dennis.
dremelfender
NorwayOct 9th, 2006 01:48 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I used 1000 grit, but 1200 works too. Depends on how mirrorlike you want it. The finish is thin so proceed with caution. Here's how I do it:
* At the kitchen sink, put guitarbody on a couple of rags
* Fold a 8x15cm wet sanding paper twice so the two outer 1/3's are overlapping the centre one.
* Soak paper in water for a while.
* With paper wet, start sanding in circular motions (I don't use a sanding block). Remember circular motions to avoid paper going in repetitive tracks.
* Don't apply too much pressure, the wet paper will stick to body due to capillary force.
* Regularly remove chalky paint/water mix with a rag, re-wet paper and repeat until you have a dull, smooth surface.
* Don't get tempted to put excess pressure on paper...it cuts fine with a light hand.
* If you sand to little you will have little dimples because you haven't sanded enough of the orange peel.
* If you sand too much you have...a problem. (But then you just make it into a relic thing and bob's your uncle!)
* Go very lightly over the edges as the abrasive paper works fast here. The sharp edge around the neckplate need no sanding.
* When you have a even, smooth, dull surface over the entire body (the guitarbody that is), let dry for a while.
* Get yer swirl remover/rubbing compound out and with kitchen paper towel (or better still, automotive polishing paper) polish. This takes a lot of elbow grease but you will be rewarded with a shiny thing.
* Use polish afterwards if you want real mirror shine.
Sten
Lichtenveldt
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The Netherlands
When it was good enough for Jaco....Oct 9th, 2006 11:48 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Thanks Sten! I think I will try it when I have received the body.
Dennis.
yes9310
USA
what you think is true, you're right!Oct 15th, 2006 06:30 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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dremelfender: You're a genius! I never really like the dull satin look of my Highway 1 or even the AM Series maple neck which looks dull and lifeless compared to the vintage shiny necks. I followed your instructions and gave the Highway 1 body a good wet sanding totally getting rid of that orange peel you mention by the sink and then the 3M and shazzam! You can look into it like glass! It's like a completely different guitar now! I was ready to strip it down to the bare wood I hated that dull look so much. Now it shines and looks like it was dunked in a half inch of polyurethane. Thanks to all you guys! I'm going to do it on my other satin Strat necks next! BTW, can you do the same thing on poly? I also did the headstock on the Highway and now thats shiny as heck too! I'm wondering if you can do that wet sand right down the fretboard of a maple neck satin without messing up the frets.
yes9310
USA
what you think is true, you're right!Oct 16th, 2006 08:03 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Here you go! I just added some better pics.
kevinpenguin
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Muddy Waters Telecaster ClubNov 1st, 2006 12:02 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Will this work on an older model? One with the other kind of lacquer?
I hope so!
Kevin
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