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FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Guitar tone question (Wilco / Neil Young content)
(This message was last edited by BigSlackWater at 11:01 AM, Mar 23rd, 2005)
FDP Forum / Miscellaneous and Non-Fender Topics / Guitar tone question (Wilco / Neil Young content)
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BigSlackWater
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South Central PA
Couldn't get more South CentralMar 23rd, 2005 07:59 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Usually I don’t try to emulate someone’s tone but I’ve been very curious about this one. I’ve been listening to the new Wilco album “A Ghost is Born” The lead guitar (Tweedy?) seems to have this tone that is heavily overdriven with some sort of phaser effect. What is that?? Most of the songs on the album have the same effect. On track 2 I think there is a harmonizer. The lead on track one and Three are my favorites. It sounds a lot like Neil Young’s Crazy Horse sound. I’m assuming in both cases they use a guitar w/a Bigsby. Let’s talk effects. Not amps and guitars.
designer
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atlantaMar 23rd, 2005 08:46 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Scroll through the photos until you get to the pedal board.
Chicago Al
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Chicago
I feel better than James Brown....Mar 23rd, 2005 08:56 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I asked some weeks back about the solo bit late in 'The Theologians.' Someone here (a Chicagoan and evidently a knowledgeable Wilco fan) said that Jeff T. owns a Crowther 'Prunes and Custard' pedal, which was likely the effect I was hearing. I googled for info on it and that's probably it, and also perhaps what you're referring to.
Google for the p&c pedal and you'll find some info on it; I think there are even sound samples somewhere. It's something like an envelope filter, but not exactly that either.
designer
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atlantaMar 23rd, 2005 10:07 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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You can see that pedal in the pic I referenced above. I remember your thread, wasn't familiar with the Prunes & Custard. Would like to get my hands on one.
5Strats
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Charleston, WV
Axe VictimMar 23rd, 2005 10:09 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Nels Cline is the main lead player for Wilco.
designer
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atlantaMar 23rd, 2005 10:12 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Was Nels on board for the recording of the last album? When Wilco played Austin City Limits, Tweedy took the lead guitar spot on "At Least That's What You Said," which has that wicked Neil Young-ish instrumental.
5Strats
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Charleston, WV
Axe VictimMar 23rd, 2005 10:14 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Nels Cline plays on "Ghost." He was on the cover of Guitar Player last month. Also, I saw Wilco on Conan recently and Nels Cline played all the lead parts on the song they performed.
zstef99
USAMar 23rd, 2005 10:18 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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My understanding was that Tweedy played at least some (maybe all?) of the lead guitar on Ghost, and I remember an interview where he talked about playing the lead guitar part on "At Least That's What You Said" on the album.
wadingthroughmidgets
Chicago, ILMar 23rd, 2005 10:31 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Niles didnt play on the album and it shows... I LOVE Wilco, but Tweedy is no Neil Young... Had Cline played the extended solos on the record, they'd be much more listenable. The new record's ok, but I saw them here in Chicago on Halloween, and they were quite amazing. Cline adds a whole new energy and dimention to the group. Anyone who's heard Clines playing isnt going to mistake what's on the album for what he does.
BigSlackWater
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South Central PA
Couldn't get more South CentralMar 23rd, 2005 10:39 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I'm thinking that Prunes & Custard pedal is what I'm looking for. To bad is so expensive. Thank you Designer and Chicago Al for the pics and tips.
Looks like I'm not the only one who see a similarity between Wilco and Neil Young.
gbenson
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Dirty Queens
you learn something old everydayMar 23rd, 2005 12:07 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Neil Young probably appreciates bands like Pearl Jam and Wilco, but he doesn't realize how much more of a giant he is than those guys. His sound and overall attitude are miles beyond any of those guys.
PJ and Wilco: A for effort, decent stuff, B- for output
Neil Young: A+++++ in every category. That man is a cockroach. he will never die.
Lazy Bones
SLC, Utah
Live clean, play dirty.Mar 23rd, 2005 12:36 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Nels did not play on 'ghost', he joined after the album was recorded. And when I saw Wilco in november, jeff played a great number of solos in addition to the ones handled by Nels. It seemed that nearly every song turned into a spazzfest noise party at the end, with all the guitarists going completely masturbatory. It's cool once in a while, but when it occurs on every song the charm wears off pretty quick.
candymanjack
it's just like
nuthin i've heardMar 23rd, 2005 05:30 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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that's right nels did defnitely not play on the album, that stuffs all jeff, and it's awesome.
i actually prefer jeff's style, i find nels a little too jazz meedley meedley, although he is a great great player for sure.
i saw wilco live last week, they were amazing, they rock, they are the most fun live band i have ever seen, and their music is almost peerless in it's brilliance, jeff is a fantastic player.
jeff is a huge neil young fan, he occassionally plays solo and frequently does neil songs, like 'lookin for a lover' for example.
when i saw wilco, nels was mostly playing a beat up old jazzmaster, and jeff played mostly a small gibson acoustic, or a couple of gibson SG's, which didn't have bigsbys, but they did both have the lyre type vibrato units, amazing sounding guitars.
matt5k
USAMar 23rd, 2005 09:50 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Jeff played all the solos on the record, and he played them, apparently, without any pedals. In an interview he said he played his SG through "a super little amp with an 8 inch speaker driven within an inch of its life."
BigSlackWater
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South Central PA
Couldn't get more South CentralMar 24th, 2005 09:19 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I dont see how he couldn't have used any pedals. There is definetly some effects going on in a few songs. Unless they added it to the track later in the studio.
Morgan Young
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They rode on my head w/ a furry donkeyMar 24th, 2005 10:35 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I've seen Wilco three times on the tour and the Jeff's SG's are getting the most workout. He was using pedals live. Studio is a whole 'nuther animal.
Re: Neil Young, they covered "Burned" real nicely.
BSW, have you heard the Jayhawks last album, "Rainy Day Music"? That has some very great sounding SG leads on it. When I saw them about a year ago it was all SG into, I think, a VOX AC-30.
Neo Fauve
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Jeff's playing on "Via Chicago" is VERY Neil-ish.
I haven't seen them with Nels yet. When I saw them on the Summerteeth and YHF tours, they were two of the best rock shows I've been to in a real long time. Powerful, sometimes ragged, and just awesome.
softhackle
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USAMar 24th, 2005 11:05 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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I just got a Prunes & Custard. This is definitely what Tweedy used to get his tone on some of tunes on a AGIB. I love the pedal, especially with a PeachFuzz in front of it. A sonic boom! I saw Wilco in February in Memphis. On the second row right in front of Nels. He is amazing. The noise thing at the end of songs was a little too much though. However, that was shadowed by everything else that was excellent.
BigSlackWater
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South Central PA
Couldn't get more South CentralMar 24th, 2005 01:10 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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Morgan, I have a little peice of paper in my wallet with artist to look for at the music store...Jayhawks is top of my list! I'll probably have to order it. Thanks for the tip.
Mr. Grieves
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Chicago, IL
FDPIRFMar 24th, 2005 06:18 PM Edit Profile Print Topic Search
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>>Jeff's playing on "Via Chicago" is VERY Neil-ish.
That's Jay Bennett, I'm almost positive. A heckuva player in his own right.
It's my understanding as well that Nels Cline played no solos on the studio recordings for "Ghost." He's a great addition to the band, though, and I can't imagine him not making a significant contribution to the next Wilco record.
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