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Chris Greene
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USA

I don't know why you can't post...
Feb 27th, 2005 09:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

What do you need to know? What do you use? Do I want to buy "jazz" sticks or is playing jazz drums more about how you hit than what you hit with? Who makes the best sticks?

Cinefret
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US Topanga

My cat lets me live here
Feb 27th, 2005 12:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I haven't boughts sticks for years.
I really choose them carefully & pay attention to the grain. Thus, I don't tend to break them.
Look for fine straight grain & don't buy if the store doesn't let you open the packages & pick only the best ones you can find. Also, roll them on the counter like you're testing a pool cue.
Most of my sticks are the equivalent to 5-Bs.
I usually look for Regal tip 'cause they compliment the tone of my ride.
Once in a while for light jazz I go w/ 7-Bs.



(This message was last edited by Cinefret at 12:10 PM, Feb 27th, 2005)

Teleman027
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Massachusetts

"Like the back of a Volkswagon?"
Feb 27th, 2005 01:45 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Chris, I highly reccomend trying the Vater Stewart Copeland standards. They're essentially an 8A with an Oval Tip

Stewart Copeland Standard

Chris Greene
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I don't know why you can't post...
Feb 27th, 2005 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I wouldn't think a stick like that is the best pick for jazz. Am I missing something?

Cinefret
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Feb 27th, 2005 05:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Chris,
How about you try out some of your Jazz buddies sticks for a while?
I would think if you went with 7-B or 7-A you'd be in the ballpark.

But honestly, I know too many drummers that just grab a bunch of sticks off the counter without checking them out & then they wonder why they break.

Anonyman`s Clone

Sugarpie honey bunch

I can't help myself
Feb 27th, 2005 05:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm a drum newbie. So far I've been using Vic Firth 5A's, which, as far as I can tell, are pretty middle-of-the-road sticks. My question to you funky people is, what's the difference between brands (Vic Firth, Vater, Pro-Mark, etc) and sizes? What's the difference between 5A and 5B? 7A? 2B? I'm confused. Help me out.

IGotTheFireTonight

USA

Don't Panic
Feb 27th, 2005 05:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

For jazz, I've always liked the Vic Firth SD-10. VERY light. Otherwise, I play Vic Firth 5A or 5AN.

I've had bac experiences with Vater products (not sticks) so I tend to not buy them.

Teleman027
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Massachusetts

"Like the back of a Volkswagon?"
Feb 27th, 2005 05:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I wouldn't think a stick like that is the best pick for jazz. Am I missing something?"

It's great for jazz. Nice small stick, perfect length, oval tip for great articulation on cymbals.

Tartansailor
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Feb 27th, 2005 05:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess 5A's are kinda middle of the road. Try these, and then adjust...personally I like the 5As...dipped, plastic tips for me E's...

Bill

thisismike
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Feb 27th, 2005 06:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I use Pro Mark Ringo Starrs.

It's been a while since i ordered 'em. I hope they still make em.

They are reeeeeeeeal long.

CPP_Tech

USA

Feb 27th, 2005 06:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Of all the major companies...Vic Firth has the most consistant sticks.

Most of the majors cut the entire stick with a lathe, I beleive Vic shapes the stick with a lathe but then sands the shape into the sticks... They have some very involved and intricate sanding machines.

I'd say vater is a not to distant 2nd as to consistancy.

-Adam

Teleman027
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Massachusetts

"Like the back of a Volkswagon?"
Feb 27th, 2005 06:33 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'm a HUGE fan of Vater sticks. They're amazing. They're always consistent and they have the stick sizes, and tip types that I like.

6V6man
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Feb 27th, 2005 07:52 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

***What's the difference between 5A and 5B? 7A? 2B?***

Well, I'm not a drummer, don't even play one on TV,(like Mickey Dolenz did)but I work in a music store and have been bending the drum instructors' ears to educate me about drums and sticks.

The larger the number, the smaller the diameter. One of our instructors always starts his students out with a Vic Firth 5A. An 'A' tip is smaller than a 'B' tip, and a different shape. 7A and 7B are considered to be jazz sticks.

Besides rolling the sticks on the counter, make sure they weigh the same, and balance at the same point along their length.


Anonyman`s Clone

Sugarpie honey bunch

I can't help myself
Feb 27th, 2005 07:57 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks, 6V6man. It can be hard to find straight basic information on drumming.

CPP_Tech
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USA

Feb 27th, 2005 08:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anonyman's

"The larger the number, the smaller the diameter. One of our instructors always starts his students out with a Vic Firth 5A. An 'A' tip is smaller than a 'B' tip, and a different shape. 7A and 7B are considered to be jazz sticks."

6V6 is correct for the most part but...

As us drummers are, for some reasome we can't all agree... for example Vic Firth's 55A is very fat like a 5B but a Pro Mark 11A is a toothpick. Generally you can foolow the logic in 6V6's response. Be careful if you are ordering without seeing the stick though because ever once in a while a company can sneak one in on you!

-Adam

CPP_Tech
Contributing Member

USA

Feb 27th, 2005 08:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Also for those of you looking to buy sticks in bulk (usually a brick). Don't do it unless you can hand pick the pairs... or you may end 4 or 5 great feeling pairs and 6 or 7 duds ;)

Most of the time when stores run speicals on Brick of sticks (for less than $50) they are usually factory seconds. No one likes bananas! so watch out for that too!

-Adam

(This message was last edited by CPP_Tech at 08:06 PM, Feb 27th, 2005)

Telebluesfan
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Afterall, the nerd got the girl.
Feb 27th, 2005 08:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've broken exactly one stick in appx. 30 years playing. How you hit them is probably a whole lot more important than grain quality IMHO (though I'm sure every once in awhile a 'bad' stick can get through). I never give them a second look at the counter when I buy them, which isn't often. I just check 'em for straightness. The reason I need to replace them is I lose the darn things. Between trips back and forth to gigs, jams - and having kids who like to 'borrow' dad's stuff - they sometimes just vanish.

Everybody has their preferences regarding size and feel. To me, the perfect stick size is a 7A. Anything larger feels like a baseball bat in my hands. Too heavy and plodding. I prefer the lively action of a light stick. It just seems to 'jump' off the hitting surface. For whatever reason, I buy Pro Marks more often than not, but have tried Vic Firth's too. Both are fine sticks for a reasonable price.

(This message was last edited by Telebluesfan at 08:19 PM, Feb 27th, 2005)

Casemeister
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Australia

Feb 28th, 2005 02:26 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I use Pro Mark Ringo Starrs.

It's been a while since i ordered 'em. I hope they still make em.

They are reeeeeeeeal long."


I betcha my Alex Van Halen Regal Tips are longer. They're incredibly long. Very cool.

IGotTheFireTonight

USA

Don't Panic
Feb 28th, 2005 02:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

As far as quality, Vic Firth is top notch. They "pitch match" them so that they're equal in weight and density for optimum balance.

As far as breaking sticks, I know that I break them often. I've only every broken two heads, and one of those was a timbale I was using in marching band (hitting VERY hard and out practicing in the cold and wet AND the hot and dry). The reason I break sticks often is because I'm a hard hitter, and I play styles that tend to be louder and more aggressive (punk/ska). That's why I use the 5As for that stuff. If I used the SD-10 Vic Firths that I use for jazz on my normal stuff, I'd break sticks left and right. They are VERY light.

thisismike
Contributing Member

Sammiches!!

Yum!!
Feb 28th, 2005 02:43 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I betcha my Alex Van Halen Regal Tips are longer. They're incredibly long. Very cool."

I've seen those... Yup.. You hear whooooosh when you use 'em...


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