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John Page
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Feb 12th, 2010 12:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Guus,
Great story but I'm afraid it's not true. When we came up with the NOS name (New Old Stock) it's because it described what we were trying to capture in the instrument. After we realized how much the thin, hard lacquer positively affected the tone of the instrument, we wanted to produce the same quality of tone in a non-reliced format. The idea was as if an old dealer found an unopened box in the rafters of his store and there was an original 50's Strat in it. It would have all the cool features and tone of the old guitar but without aging.
Cheers!
John

(This message was last edited by John Page at 12:39 PM, Feb 12th, 2010)

GuusHoutzager

The Netherlands

Feb 13th, 2010 04:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thank you very much, John, for busting this myth!

Guus

Klooks Kleek
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Feb 23rd, 2010 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Wow, FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY John Page kicked off this thread. Seems like it has been a couple years, at most.

I know a couple of the replies buried deep in here were for me, and I think I've read every post by everyone else, too.

Great to have him around. What a forum.



Peegoo
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Mar 7th, 2010 08:04 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John,

What material(s) did Fender use for the "clay" dot position markers for the face of rosewood fingerboards in the 50s and 60s?

We're discussing this (see the Clay Dots thread here), and I've seen what looks like plastic/acetate/ABS sheet, composite flooring sheet, etc. What's the scoop?

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 12:27 AM, Mar 8th, 2010)

John Page
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Mar 8th, 2010 04:12 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Klooks Kleek,
Thanks for the kind words... can't believe it's been five years, man! Of course it's also hard to believe I left Fender over 11 years ago too!

Peegoo,
Fred Stuart, John Suhr and John English did a lot of research on this back in the early Custom Shop days. The best they could find out was that it was a material called "Harvite", that was a fine clay impregnated phenolic resin. It also used to be used in old poker chips and hotel key fobs. I guess it's no longer manufactured, but, go to the swap meets and look for old clay colored poker chips... you can make dots out of them! Really!

Hope that helps...


Peegoo
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Mar 8th, 2010 10:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John, thanks. Perfect!

John Page
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Mar 8th, 2010 10:54 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Peegoo,
You're very welcome... cheers!

Achase4u
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Mar 8th, 2010 11:37 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That is so cool John!

millenofx77

france

May 21st, 2010 02:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi john,

here is my NOS stratocaster from june1998

http://picasaweb.google.com/millenofx77/NewAlbum1205101955?pli=1&gsessionid=XgEU1qDLUIrZBYmTDX0J4g#

-is 1998 the only year of production? i haven't see other
-did you produce lot of this NOS stratocaster ?
-the fender decal on the head is very "on the right no?
-does Abigail YBARRA really woun herself each pickups of this serie?
thanx very much
cheers
arnaud

(This message was last edited by millenofx77 at 03:08 PM, May 21st, 2010)

Jim Shine

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May 21st, 2010 04:55 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Harvite was just a trade name for a particular manufacturers version of the material. It was also called "Ivorite" and "Ivorine" as well as many other trade names.

Mike Eldred may be able to shed some light on this. For a brief time in 1980-1981, Charvels had these dots. I currently have several of these necks.

Fantus
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Strasbourg, FR

Judging a guitar by its neck
Sep 4th, 2010 12:29 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi John

I just bought a '97 custom shop 1969 stratocaster from a friend of mine. It's olympic white with a rosewood fretboard. I have to say the rosewood on this guitar is spectacular, it's beautifully dark. The neck is quartersawn. Amazing.

I guess it's probably not your favorite model, but I wondered if you could elaborate on how decision was made to make them, who suggested it, when the first rolled off the shop, what pickups were used, etc.

Mine is serial #CN7033XX, has grey bottom pickups with no markings on them, they sound overwound to me, they are not RWRP and the set has a hotter bridge pickup. Is it typical for the era, or are mine replacements? Thank you for your answer.

(This message was last edited by Fantus at 12:36 PM, Sep 4th, 2010)

flatsix

Mclean, VA. USA

Sep 5th, 2010 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks like I may have found a place for some answers... I have a '96 50's Relic in blonde which is pretty standard but, it has a gold anodized pickguard and it looks original not only to me but, to several other dealers, luthiers and appraisers. The question I have for Mr. Page is, if it is original, how often where those pickguards used? Photos are attached and I have many others if they could help answer my question. Thanks for any and all of your help and, thank you for all the work you've done over your career.

JM

'96 Cunetto

Fantus
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Colmar, France

Judging a guitar by its neck
Sep 8th, 2010 02:37 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


An update concerning my 1997 CS 1969 strat.
Well I measured the pickups all @5.6 or 5.7k. Grey bobin, enamel wire. They look like pre-Abby pickups. Are they gonna be prized someday? They seem to be able to give me the exact sound of the intro of "Hey Joe". Great guitar.
I was surprised to see that in those days the pickup cavity was painted with a black paint, presumably as a shielding, and there was an extra grounding screw screwed into the body. Body is two parts, the poly paint is quite thin.
I've got a question conerning the tuners. There are two different kinds of F tuners on my guitar. One type has a longer shaft than the other. Which one is the correct one?

JoeM

Michigan

Dec 16th, 2010 05:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John, I've had a problem come up with a guitar I have and hope you can help clear some things up.

The guitar in question is a pine bodied, quarter-sawn neck with no truss rod that was made in 1997. Supposed to have used wood from a 100 year old church in Georgia. Only 50 made. Even though it says "Esquire" on the headstock, it has two pickups. Your name is, of course, on the coa.

Problem is this....I've been thinking about selling the guitar and have a couple of prospective buyers but there's no way I can authenticate the background of the guitar other than what's on the coa. I called Fender's CS and was told that, before 2004, with a special guitar like this, there is no detailed info other than it was a "special" run.

Is there any way that I can actually verify exactly what I have? I thought sure Fender would be able to help but it sure doesn't look like it.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Klooks Kleek
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Dec 17th, 2010 01:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The original Esquire was the first Fender solidbody with a name (preceding the Broadcaster) and, in fact, was available with one or two pups. Production was probably insanely small.

Looking forward to hearing more about this particular CS model from John.

Butterscotch
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Dec 17th, 2010 03:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There are quite a number of posts in the archives about pine Esquires. Too many to link to. If you search "pine esquires" in the CS forums from 1999 onwards, you'll find them! :)

Klooks Kleek
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Dec 23rd, 2010 12:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sadly, John Page has not contributed to this long-running thread since March 8, 2010 so I wonder if we've lost him. He certainly has shared a lot of his time and knowledge.

We almost got to 1,000 posts on this thread!

Peegoo
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Dec 23rd, 2010 04:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

He'll stop back in.

Klooks Kleek
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"Take me to your Reverb Unit"
Dec 23rd, 2010 11:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Good to know. I'm sure he's busy and the FDP isn't his life, but it has been many, many months of silence now.



John Page
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USA

p-one-c.com
Dec 24th, 2010 11:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry I haven't been around for the last several months guys... I've been swamped with building. I'll try to answer some of the last questions as soon as I have a few minutes (hours?), but it's back to the paint booth right now.

Merry Christmas everyone!

Cheers,
John

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