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FDP Forum / Guild/DeArmond/Tacoma Guitars / Who To Contact at Fender What Corona Serial Numbers Mean

mrgitar

USA

you can buy talent in a music store
Jan 23rd, 2005 05:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anyone know an email address or contact person at Fender that can explain what the serial number for my Starfire IV means? Serial # CW000014

Lesterstrat
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Crestview, FL

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Jan 24th, 2005 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

That was my guitar. I sold it to a nice gentleman in the Northeast somewhere. It's the 14th Starfire IV off of the Corona line.

(This message was last edited by Lesterstrat at 08:58 AM, Jan 24th, 2005)

santfe

U.S.

Jan 24th, 2005 09:30 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

There is a web site that addresses Guild serial numbers. Google for it.

Hans Moust
Contributing Member

the Netherlands

Jan 24th, 2005 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello mrgitar,

The website for Guild serial numbers does not cover Corona production.

Re. Serial # CW000014

There is no meaning to the serial number other than that it is number 14 of a series that starts with # CW000001.
This series with the CW letter prefix was started in Corona, but I do not know the exact starting date. There are some irregularities in the numbers I got from the factory and I'm trying to figure this out. Could be end of 2002 and maybe beginning of 2003.

Sincerely,

Hans Moust



Lesterstrat
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Jan 24th, 2005 10:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I know how you can find out. I bought this particular guitar new. I don't remember exactly when I bought it, but I could find out. I could also provide the name of the dealer and I'm sure they could tell you when they ordered the guitar.

Lesterstrat
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Crestview, FL

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Jan 24th, 2005 07:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hans,

I bought this particular guitar new on April 30, 2003 from Senseney Music in Wichita, Ks. I know they had it for at least a couple of months because I would go in play it. I finally decided to buy it.

Later,

LS

Hans Moust
Contributing Member

the Netherlands

Jan 25th, 2005 01:48 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi Lesterstrat ,

Re. I bought this particular guitar new on April 30, 2003 from Senseney Music in Wichita, Ks. I know they had it for at least a couple of months because I would go in play it. I finally decided to buy it.

Well, that is pretty much in line with my ' could be end of 2002 and maybe beginning of 2003' findings.

Sincerely, Hans



Lesterstrat
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Crestview, FL

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Jan 25th, 2005 06:08 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

{Well, that is pretty much in line with my ' could be end of 2002 and maybe beginning of 2003' findings.}

Absolutely. Once again, you've demonstrated your prowess regarding Guilds. Not that you need it, but just thought you'd like a positive verification.

p.s. If you do a search, you'll find where you commented on the guitar when I bought it and posted a pic (you know, "bragging", :) ).


Hans Moust
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the Netherlands

Jan 25th, 2005 06:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Lesterstrat,

Thanks! Glad that it is in line with my findings. I'm usually more confident when it comes down to this sort of information, but the info I have of the recent years is kind of messy. Hope that it will change for the better soon.

Sincerely, Hans

mrgitar

USA

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Jan 27th, 2005 04:59 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks guys! I got a email back from Bob Willocks Fender Customer relations he said this, "According to our data records, your Starfire IV was made in April 2003. The letters and numbers do not have any meaning or significance beyond identifying the individual instrument". Doesn't sound like a real good system for someone trying to find out how old their guitar is 10 or 20 years from now. I guess we will see if Guild survives 10 or 20 more years.


John Evans
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USA- Illinois

Crapshootivity degree in Voodoo Physics
Jan 28th, 2005 08:51 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The problem is that serial numbers are for inventroy tracking, invoicing, etc. They aren't for dating instruments twenty years later. Who knew in 1985 that Guild would be owned by the same company that owns Fender? I think Guild has been owned by four different owners since 1985 (Avnet, George Gruhn, et. al., US Music, and FMIC). Why would they care about dating a guitar made by any of three other companies?

I know we'd like to be able to use serial numbers for accurate dating, but it's just not the primary business reason for them. My A50 has a serial number that Fender said doesnt' exist, but then it was built during the time FMIC was buying the company. Official records indicate that they started with XXXXX05, and mine is XXXX03. But on the acoustics you can see a date stamped on the neck block that helps narrow it down. I don't see a date on my Starfire IV (I got it new in September 2001)

jte

(This message was last edited by John Evans at 08:53 AM, Jan 28th, 2005)

balzakjeff
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UP Michigan

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Jan 28th, 2005 10:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"I know we'd like to be able to use serial numbers for accurate dating, but it's just not the primary business reason for them."

John,

I regularly contact (non-musical) equipment manufactures as part of my job for service, repair and parts. The techs will often ask me for the serial number to verify the date of manufacture for proof that it is still under warranty, to identify recalls and to identify minor changes that don't result in changing the model number. It also gives them an easy excuse "Man, we made that back in 1972, you don't really expect us to still have parts do you?"

While it doesn't surprise me that a high volume manufacturer might use random serial number assignments it doesn't seem all that difficult in this computer age to keep track of them.

Jeff

(This message was last edited by balzakjeff at 10:52 AM, Jan 28th, 2005)

John Evans
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USA- Illinois

Crapshootivity degree in Voodoo Physics
Jan 28th, 2005 10:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Jeff,

I agree. Mostly I was responding to the previous post that was commenting on the line "The letters and numbers do not have any meaning or significance beyond identifying the individual instrument". It just depends on how much they want to invest in the database.

jte


mrgitar

USA

you can buy talent in a music store
Jan 28th, 2005 01:16 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here is a novel idea why don't they just stamp the !*^#!! date inside the guitar or write it on the label?

John Evans
Contributing Member

USA- Illinois

Crapshootivity degree in Voodoo Physics
Jan 28th, 2005 01:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

They used too...

My A-50 has a serial number that includes the model name (A50000XXX) and two dates stamped on the neck block. And my memory of the ones we sold all had dates on the blocks too. Maybe the Starfire does too, but you can't see it from the F holes...

jte

Hans Moust
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the Netherlands

Jan 28th, 2005 02:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello everybody,

The stamped dates you will find in Guild guitars are not the manufacturing date of the guitar. They are the date that a specific part of the guitar was made. Pretty much like the neck date on a Fender guitar.
In case of the neck block date it was the date that the rim was completed. These dates can be as much as 6 months away from the final completion date of the guitar.
At one point Guild was stamping dates on the necks of guitars. This practice was stopped after complaints from retailers.

Hans

balzakjeff
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UP Michigan

teaching an old dog new tricks
Jan 28th, 2005 08:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

John,

Ya, I see what you're saying... but it's kind of fun when you talk to a tech of a low volume product..

Tech: "Hmmm... serial number ####C#####. C means we made it in 1975. I don't know if we still have parts for that unit."

Me: "They haven't changed that much"

Tech: "Good news, we just found the P36modulator on the shelf. I'll send it out."

Of course more often it goes like:

Tech: ###C#####. Er, um, C means we made that in 1975. That was two companys ago... Um... send it in and we'll see if we have the parts. Oh, by the way, that will be $250 to diagnose the problem...if we don't have the parts, well you're still out the 250 bucks.... have a nice day..."

Jeff

2Twisted

U.S.A.

Oct 21st, 2015 09:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Although this is an old thread, I'd like to weigh in. When it comes to the Corona, Ca Guild guitars, you can forget about standard Guild serial numbers, they do not apply. I could be completely off, but it appears that all of the serials begin with C, which we can assume stands for Corona, the second letter I have seen U, V, and W, which could stand for the years 2002, 2003, and 2004, and in the case of my Corona D50 Guild, there is a third letter B, which I believe stands for bluegrass special. Then you have your number which tells you the production number. This is only my theory, but I do think it holds water. Feel free to disagree or dispute my findings.

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