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Farmer John

Germany

Jul 17th, 2004 10:38 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi there!
I'm new in this wonderful forum.
I'm looking for an amp with neil young sort of sound. I'm playing gibson SG (okay- not that young guitar, angus maybe ;-D) but all my amps (Twin, layney vc 30 and roland jazzchorus) isn't really what i need. I've played a 72 Fender bassman yesterday- wonderful crunch (loved that vintag sound) but way too much with 50 watts for clubs and practicing room. I've heard a lot about BJ and PJ, so if any of you have any advice- please let me know.
thanks in advance,
Philip

http://www.rustycage.de

Billm
Contributing Member

New Jersey, USA

Hey! What exit?
Jul 17th, 2004 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The merits of Blues Junior vs. Pro Junior are being discussed a few messages down.

As far as Neil Young's sound goes, he's had a lot of different ones over the years, but I tend to think of it as bridge pickup, lots of trebles and mids, not much bass, mostly clean, but crunchy distortion on chords.

Either amp will do that, but the Blues Junior gives you reverb and a master volume so you can do it quietly.

Blues Jr. vs Pro Jr.

carsten
Contributing Member

princetones/germany

it´s more like deluxes now, really
Jul 17th, 2004 02:09 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi billm!
"mostly clean, but crunchy distortion on chords."
uh, err, no ...i think i´ll have to disagree here ;)
when i think of neil young´s electric tone, i think of something that sounds like a jet-plane in a thunderstorm - nothing that remotely reminds me of a clean-sound ...
hey farmer-john!
i think of fender´s current offerings the pj, bj and hotrod deluxe (or a used blues deluxe) fit the bill very nicely. perhaps even the drri - and a couple of od-pedals for all. the pj and bj are not very loud in a full-band scenario - so unless you can mic the amps, they might little weak ...
i think i get a very good ny-type of sound with my bd´s drive-channel and a tube-screamer in front.
cheers - C.

fendermike

Western Mass

...Slowly sauntering towards Solid State
Jul 17th, 2004 02:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

A Fender Deluxe is the cornerstone. Amps that sound similar will work.

Check this very interesting interview

Billm
Contributing Member

New Jersey, USA

Hey! What exit?
Jul 17th, 2004 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Sorry, was thinking of early Neil Young.

bubbanutha
Contributing Member

there ain't no guru,

can see through your eyes.
Jul 17th, 2004 03:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic


lately when i think of a 'neal young sound' it's the sound track he did on the johnny depp movie dead man that comes to mind.

like carsten said, 'a jet plane in a thunderstorm'.

syrinx

united states

Jul 17th, 2004 10:11 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Without a question pro junior. The master volume amps are not going to nail the sound on this one. I do powderfinger,hurricane,cortez,and rockin in a free world often and people always relate the closeness of tone. I don`t think that neils sound is reproducable at low volume. I have A/B`ed it with my tweed deluxe- which is what neil uses- and the pj really sounds more like neils deluxe than mine does. The key for neil is working the amp volume- but you can get by with the guitar volume and the amp on 12. Whats wild is that you can get a convincing free world tone even with a strat!

carsten
Contributing Member

princetones/germany

it´s more like deluxes now, really
Jul 18th, 2004 03:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi billm!
yes, of course you´re right about the earlier stuff - i guess that what he did since "ragged glory" completely wiped the earlier tones off my radar ;)
hey fendermike!
yes, that´s a great interview! i read it before, but it was fun reading it again!
cheers - C.

Farmer John

Germany

Jul 18th, 2004 04:59 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi!
Thanks for all the replies! I've read the interview- i really enjoyed it, and- i'm not that far away with my effects, except for the amp, of course;-D. When i think of young sound, it's really the dead man CD which you turn up until it hurts and then just enjoy the "jet-plane in a thunderstorm"- wonderful description...
I tried the PJ once and it was a bit too thin for my taste, but maybe i should put a 12 or 15 speaker underneath it. do you think that 15 watts is too weak? on the other hand, the bassman (which i loved) is much too much....
I've tried all the peavey classics which i didn't like at all, so I'll try PJ and deluxe (HR) next week. Funny, but the BJ is cuurently not available in any music store I've been so far :-(
regards,
philip

akw
Contributing Member

Germany

Going Tweed very soon!
Jul 19th, 2004 04:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi philip, take a look at the ebay. You see one quite often for reasonable prices.

Yankeefan01
Contributing Member

Ortonville, Michigan

Strat, Tele? Tele, Strat? I don't know
Jul 19th, 2004 09:15 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

FenderMike,
Great interview with Neal. Thanks for the link.

Farmer John

Germany

Jul 19th, 2004 10:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi akw,
do you think i can get one without listening and playing it??
BTW, how are you going tweed soon? selfmade? i thought about getting a 5e3 deluxe-kit; i know a good technician who would do it for me but it'd be much more expensive than any PJ or BJ and i haven't heard them "live", so it's a bit risky.....
regards,
philip

mleffler
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US/ Western NY

Buffalo NY area
Jul 19th, 2004 01:17 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In my opinion, the KEY to nailing Neil's tone is outboard reverb. Listen to Live Rust, there's just a different quality to reverb when it's in front of an overdriven amp.

I think I get a pretty convincing "Neil" tone with my Holy Grail plugged into a '59 bassman & weber MASS. A(nd an octave pedal doesn't hurt either.)

broctune

md/usa

Jul 19th, 2004 06:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

a fender 1959 deluxe---he owns over 450 of them.

Robert R
Contributing Member
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North of Boston

What rules...? I play a guitar!
Jul 19th, 2004 07:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Broctune.....Really!!???? In the tv special on the making of Greendale, they show the racks of amps in his barn/studio, there IS a lot of amps there, but over 450!!?? Hell, maybe he'll give me one, after all, I have bought a ton of Lionel stuff. Maybe that counts for a free gift!

carsten
Contributing Member

princetones/germany

it´s more like deluxes now, really
Jul 20th, 2004 01:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi!
in the above-mentiones interview neil states that he has 10 spares for his #1 deluxe, but that he actually has no "spare" because no other sounds like it.
he also said that the input tube on his fender-reverb is crucial to his sound.
cheers - C.

Farmer John

Germany

Jul 20th, 2004 04:01 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hi there!
I suggest you all know the site www.thrasherswheat.org? there's a lot of interviews (sure you know, the link from fendermike is taken form that site) but check out the "friends" -> larry cragg, scroll down to neils amps or so....
there's a wonderful interview on neils stuff, guitars and anything else. But I'm sure you all read it, right?
regards philip

http://www.thrasherswheat.org/friends/cragg.htm

(This message was last edited by Farmer John at 04:32 AM, Jul 20th, 2004)

carsten
Contributing Member

princetones/germany

it´s more like deluxes now, really
Jul 20th, 2004 04:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hey farmer john!
thanks a bunch for the link to the whole site! i can´t believe the quoted ME on there! i feel greatly honored!
cheers - C.

Farmer John

Germany

Jul 20th, 2004 06:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Carsten!
I've checked your page and downloaded "düsenjäger". the others didn't work but I'm not that internet-crack. I'll try it again, but excellent work, sounds fabulous. It's part of my playlist now.
I love organ in a band so much.....
the thrasherwheat-site is really great and i love the larry cragg interview....
regards,
philip

carsten
Contributing Member

princetones/germany

it´s more like deluxes now, really
Jul 20th, 2004 10:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hi farmer john!
thanks for your kind words! great you took the time to check it out and liked it!
i´ve been telling our webmaster (keyboarder) time and again to keep it simple - but he wouldn´t listen ;)
so here´s the clue: you have to catch the "bubble" before it reaches the top of the screen! you either click on the ">"-symbol and listen to the song right away - or you click on the "d" for download.
hope it works for some other tunes!
cheers - C.
p.s.: you don´t happen to be playing near düsseldorf any time soon?
p.p.s.: the lead-parts are played with a strat and my victoria tweed deluxe clone (with a fulldrive2 in front).

our band´s page

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