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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Stratocasters / Calling All Owners of 50th Anniversary American Deluxe Stratocasters!

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StratPat
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SLC, Utah, USA

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May 12th, 2004 10:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

This brand new guitar is offered as a limited edition (until Dec. 31, 2004), then no more will be made. Fender has touted this guitar as something new, top of the modern line, and possibly the guitar they will be talking about in the next 50 years. Something to rival the 54 Classics.
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Seems like we should be able to keep a thread going about these great guitars for a while this year. There should be plenty to talk about; Or just drop in to let everyone know you just joined the club. A great place to share and show photos.
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The first thing I would like to bring up is the S1-pickup switching pattern. Some have reported that they got a sheet with theirs and that it shows a different setup than the diagram shown by Mr. Gearhead or the Fender.com for other American Deluxes. Could you share this info and confirm or dispute this? As I understand it, some are getting a sheet that shows the Middle position on the pickup switch as being all 3 pickups at once when the S1 is depressed. How about it? [Read on in this thread, this was confirmed and a surprise to many.]
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IMPORTANT Later in this thread we discovered there were 2 distinctively different pickup switching combinations. The second one that will load is what seems to be the one being used in most of these Strats after the first month or two of production. Check it out:

Here are the 2 Separate Wirings for this Great Strat!

(This message was last edited by StratPat at 09:22 PM, Jul 30th, 2004)

smrybacki
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Newville, PA USA

What a long, strange trip it's been!
May 12th, 2004 11:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I'll take the #2 seed in this here ladder. As I mentioned elsewhere, I got no S-1 diagram whatsoever, nor was it mentioned in my (dated) owner's manual at all. I am left to wonder what folks who mabe just "impulse" bought their very first guitar and have NO clue are to do? Or will they maybe not even realize that there is an S-1 switch, especially if they picked it up at GC or some such other with NO real customer service or knowledgable staff? Food for thought...

No matter though because this is one fine guitar! The Samarium Cobalt Noiseless (SCN) technology appears to me to be a winner in all respects. The sounds I am getting are pretty darn good anyway. I have A/B'd it with my 2002 American Series guitar with stock Delta Tone PUPs and while they are different, they are not that much different IMHO (except of course for being dead silent!). The SCN PUPs seem smother overall to me and they handle higher gain WAY better than the older Vintage Noiseless types do. I also have a set of those, but now that I have these I am thinking of selling the VNs off on EBay or something.

Anyway the S-1 switch on my guitar yields the combinations found in the PDF document I found at Fender as best as I can determine by my own ears.

Six

S-1 Switching for the 2004 American Deluxe Strat

(This message was last edited by smrybacki at 11:35 AM, May 12th, 2004)

StratPat
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May 12th, 2004 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

smrybacki,
That is the link that shows the upgraded system for American-Deluxes in general, but apparently there is another for the 50th Anniversaries that connects all three pickups at once time. At least this has been reported by a couple of owners, here. I did not receive a sheet, either, and there doesn't appear to be any other updates at these websites beyond that.


Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 12th, 2004 01:14 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The S-1 switching for the Dlx. 50th is the same as all other Dlx. model Stratocaster guitars with three single coils. If there is a humbucking pickup (H-S-S), then yes, the middle position should, in fact, use all of the pickups.

(480) 596-7195 is a wonderful resource.

M-

longhair55

michigan,usa

more gear than talent!
May 12th, 2004 01:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess I'll be the 3rd owner to speak up,as you already know this is one fantastic guitar!And as I said in earlier posts,before getting it,I had the idea that I probably wouldn't play it that much (kinda figured on "saving it"~baby it~cause it's the 50th,ya know?),But I can't,....It "needs" to be played!

#003532

(This message was last edited by longhair55 at 01:25 PM, May 12th, 2004)

smrybacki
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Newville, PA USA

What a long, strange trip it's been!
May 12th, 2004 01:30 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Morgan:

Sounds like either whoever StratPat got this info from was either pulling his leg, or didn't note the difference between their HSS and his SSS guitar, or perhaps was inadvertantly given the wrong S-1 literature and went with that. I seem to remember there was some confusion here when the S-1 was first introduced with regards to it even being offered with the 3-SC configuration.

Even if they were given the wrong literature, I would have thought they might have noticed that the digram specified a HSS configuration though.

I guess the mystery is solved. Thanks Morgan.

StratPat:

Do your ears tell you that the S-1 is doing something other than what the PDF I linked to says it should? I can clearly hear the "special capacitor" kick in with a popping noise when I hit the 2/3/4 positions with a noticable drop in treble (it is supposed to be a treble roll-off measure) along with a very noticable increase in output level. The increased output also exists when I am in the 1/5 positions, but there is no treble roll-off that I can hear. IOW, it seems to me to work as advertised at the site. What's yours doing?

Six

Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 12th, 2004 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Yeah, when the S-1 first came out, it was offered only on American Series guitars with at least one humbucking pickup (H-H or H-S-S). Since then, we've added it to the American Deluxe line, including S-S-S configurations.

M-

(This message was last edited by Morgan Ringwald - Fender at 01:52 PM, May 12th, 2004)

fiestared

USA

May 12th, 2004 02:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I guess I'll be the fourth one to jump in here. I picked mine up on Saturday. From the way it sounds to me I believe the S-1 switch is working like the diagram.

I must say that this is one incredible guitar. I love the neck, it is just what I wanted. Extremely comfortable, very little feeling of finish on the neck. Not at all sticky like many of the maple fingerboards I have played before.

To me the most surprising thing about this guitar was the setup. I have never picked up a non-custom shop Fender that was setup this well. The nut was very well cut. The frets were nicely polished. The action and intonation were right on. Morgan the people in the factory are doing a great job.

Greg.

StratPat
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May 12th, 2004 04:23 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Morgan,
Thanks for clearing this up. I did have a couple of other owners making this statement. The link below shows Bikrcoy making that claim. I've been trying to get it confirmed or discredited by Fender. The threads were clearly marked "50th Anniversary American Deluxe" so it seemed credible that something else was being offered but not yet up on the web. As always, I appreciate your expertise, here. Now we can move on to other topics.

smrybacki,
I will listen for this pop. I was aware of the capacitor effect (roll-off) but did not notice a pop.

fiestared,
I agree about the attention that seems to have been paid to details, here. I believe that the 50th Anniversary Am. Deluxe is a real true value for its price. I haven't picked up my Hot-Rodded American Fat Strat Texas Special since this baby arrived! One more thing, You wouldn't really want this beaut in Fiesta Red, would you?

longhair,
So true. This guitar must be played. What a sacrilege it would be to keep this in its case. I have mine hanging on the wall (when I'm not playing, it?).

My Take on the New 50th Anniversary American Deluxe Stratocaster and the S-1 Switch

Redhouse74
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Michigan USA

May 12th, 2004 06:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just picked up one today, it's a 50th anniversary deluxe Strat. It came with a sheet telling you how to use the S-1 switch. I have to say never in all my years of playing Fender Strats, have I picked up a guitar that was setup just right. The S-1 is cool. The tone of having all 3 pickups on at once is wild. After 20 years I got a new Strat sound, it made my chords sound so full it blew me away. In 20 years of owning these guitar's I have to say the 50th ann... Strats are by far some of the best made non custom strat I have ever played. Great job Fender!!!! How do you post pic's ? Redhouse

Also to have all 3 single's on at once, put it in the middle position and S-1 on and believe me you'll hear it. If you want to make sure, the good old tap on the pickups will do. I got lucky. My Strat is in the Sienna sunburst finish somebody ordered it and never showed up.

(This message was last edited by Redhouse74 at 06:31 PM, May 12th, 2004)

bikrcoy
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Ozark hill country
May 12th, 2004 06:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

StratPat,

I'll find a scanner somewhere and send you a copy of the specification sheet that came with my 50th that shows all 3 single-coil pick-ups on in the middle position with S-1 activated (down).

The sheet shows all 3 pick-ups to be on and I checked myself. They are all ON.

I took delivery of this guitar on March 3, so I guess it's possible that some of the very first 50th models were wired in this manner.

The FDPer yetanothermidlifecrisis (or something like that) has a 50th that is also wired like mine. He even opened his guitar and traced the wiring and has an AutoCad type drawing showing this in his profile.

The sound of all 3 pick-ups on is very un-strat-like, but is very interesting none the less. It kinda has a Fender Mustang sort of sound to it.

The mystery continues!



bikrcoy
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May 12th, 2004 06:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Here's the link to yetanothermidlifecrisis's
thread that shows his SSS drawings

link

(This message was last edited by bikrcoy at 06:55 PM, May 12th, 2004)

Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 12th, 2004 06:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

It's very possible that the pdf we have on the site is incorrect ... I'll check into it tomorrow and let you all know ...

M-

longhair55

michigan,usa

more gear than talent!
May 12th, 2004 07:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

bikrcoy,
If I remember correctly,you were the 1st to get a 50th deluxe here in the forum, (as far as i know),...whats your serial #?,...Mine is 003532.
Morgan,
Do the 50th anniversarys have their "own" serial numbers,in other words was mine the 3,532nd 50th anniversary deluxe made?

fiestared

USA

May 12th, 2004 07:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

StratPat,

To answer your question, no the two-color sunburst is the only color that would be right for this guitar. I have been wanting one this color for a long, long time.

As you may have guessed, the name comes from my AV62 in Fiesta Red. Which, by the way, has been in its case except for my weekend gig.

Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 12th, 2004 07:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Longhair,

No.

M-

StratPat
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SLC, Utah, USA

Playing Saves All Sentient Beings!
May 12th, 2004 09:10 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Oooh. Just when I thought the issue was final, it seems to be taking on a new life. It is getting interestinger and interestinger.

I took the liberty of trying to reduce yetanothermidlifecrisis original drawing (14x18) to a more printable size. Click the link below to print it on one page.

bikrcoy: Thanks for jumping in here with that thread, that link, and that image.

Morgan: Thanks for being willing to look into this. And thanks for that phone number, too. I admit I'm not much of a phone guy. I enjoy writing too much.

redhouse74: Congratulations on making such a great choice. Don't let this guitar become the next 50 years "closet classic." Play it!

Another Diagram of the 50th Wiring

(This message was last edited by StratPat at 05:33 PM, Aug 5th, 2005)

Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 13th, 2004 10:20 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Okay, here's the story ...

Yes, there are two different wirings for the American Deluxe SSS Stratocaster guitars. The first one did NOT have all three pickups engaged in the 3rd position. After playing this for a while, our guys decided that it did not sound all that different than some of the other positions and pickup combinations. This, obviously, completely goes againt the theory of the S-1 switch, which is to offer as many different tonal posibilities as we can, giving you a very versatile guitar.

So, we made the change so that all three pickups in the 3rd switch position are engaged with the S-1 down.

Now, to answer the next question you will invariably ask ...

No. This was a running change and we just found out about it earlier this week, but the production staff and R&D made the change some time ago. However, we can NOT give you a specific date, nor can we track which guitars are wired a certain way by date or serial number. But I can tell you that the decision was made fairly early on in production, and most models out there will have the updated wiring scheme.

The key phrase to remember here is, "Prices and specifications are subject to change without notice."

Now, since we just learned of this, we are working on getting the information updated and on our website. With any luck, we'll have the updated diagrams up today. Also, as soon as I receive the new .pdf, I'll scale it down and put it in my profile, or I'll e-mail it to those who are interested. Better yet, I'll e-mail it to one or two of you, and you can share it amongst yourselves.

Hope this helps!

M-

Morgan Ringwald - Fender
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May 13th, 2004 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Somebody light up their e-mail ... I've got the .pdf. Unfortunately, it's too large to put into my profile, so I have to send it to one of you. It's got two pages, one for each of the existing wiring schemes.

M-

Gamera!

USA, WI

May 13th, 2004 10:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Morgan, if you send it to cinemarcade@wi.rr.com I'll post a temporary link to it and I'll see what I can do about reducing the image size to something more manageable.

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