FDP Home Page / FDP Forum / FAQ's

The FDP is made possible by the following companies and individual members like you.
Please use the links below to show them we value their sponsorship.

MOD KITS DIY

Jensen Loudspeakers

Apex Tube Matching

Amplified Parts

Sweetwater

Yellowjackets Tube Converters

WD Music

Musician's Friend

Antique Electronics Supply

Amazon

Guitar Center


* God bless America and our men and women in uniform *

* Illegitimi non carborundum! *

If you benefit and learn from the FDP and enjoy our site, please help support us and become a Contributing Member or make a Donation today! The FDP counts on YOU to help keep the site going with an annual contribution. It's quick and easy with PayPal. Please do it TODAY!

Chris Greene, Host & Founder

LOST YOUR PASSWORD?

......................................................................

   
FDP Jam
Calendar
Find musicians
in your area!
  Search the Forums  

FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / '59 bassman RI for $699. or new '59 bassman LTD?

Next 20 Messages  
tone_master

USA

Feb 5th, 2004 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a '59 fender bassman RI 3 weeks a go at GC for $699.00, and I just saw the new Bassman RI LTD on musiciansfriend.com (It looks great!!), should I return my RI, and buy the BMRI LTD? or should I keep mine because it sounds great and it was cheap??? HELP~!!!!!!!

(If it helps I play mainly (clean/overdrive) I use a 52 tele, gretsch 6120, Rickenbacker, american strat.. etc...) and I also own a Vox Ac30 wich I love!!!)

-thanks

SuperReverb2
Contributing Member
*

Mission, BC (Canada)

Doing that blues thang.......
Feb 5th, 2004 03:32 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

tone_master:

PERSONALLY, I think the "new" Bassman Ltd is going to sound A LITTLE better than the 59 Bassman reissue. I feel the pine cabinet is going to warm the amp up a bit, as well as making it more organic (3D sounding) and resonant.
I CERTAINLY noticed how the finger jointed pine cabinet did just that in my 64 Vibroverb Custom. I'm sure I wouldn't have liked that amp as much had it come in a Birch Ply cabinet. (pretty sure it would have been VERY bright)
With that said though, the Bassman Ltd does come with the GREAT sounding GE-6L6-GE's and a "correct" tube rectifier, but as we all know, tube choice and the resulting (different) tonalities are VERY subjective.
Like you, I am VERY intrigued with not only the Bassman Ltd, but the 57 Narrow Panel Tweed Twin as well. I plan to audition both, and make a decision based on which amp fits my needs the best for the Tweed style amp I'm after.
I really can't tell you which way to go, as like you, I have only heard the Bassman reissue. (which I don't own, no flames please, ha ha) You got a good deal on the Bassman you have, and although I truly feel that the "new" one will sound a little better, I don't know if it will be $450.00 better.
My suggestion would be that if you can audition one of the new amps BEFORE the return period at GC runs out, then make your decision based on that. If you can't, and you REALLY like what you already have, for the price you paid, I would most likely keep it.

Chuck



The Creeper

usa

Feb 5th, 2004 03:38 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I had the same delema and decided to go for the LTD. I had planned on lacquering the RI and would have eventually added a bias control - now I don't have to, which I was kind of dreading, and I don't void my warrenty by adding the bias. I like the lacquer job Fender has done on the HRDx and BJs Ive seen. The pine cabinet will be a bit lighter and, according to most, will sound better. 6L6GE tubes are supposed to be great too and are expensive. The tube rec did not really factor in to my decision.

$400 is still a lot of money for me though, but this will be my main amp - I'm selling a guitar to afford it. If you can't afford it or it's a second amp (backup) for you, I wouldn't worry - tons of people have been totally happy with the RI for years and I thought it sounded fantastic stock! It would be interesting to compare them side by side.

spoets

USA

Feb 5th, 2004 05:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought the 59 RI for $599 clearance @ GC, "lacquered" it myself, and am extremely happy with the amp. It is my gigging amp; my DRRI is my rehearsal/home amp. I'm pretty much covered now for both blackface and tweed tones.

Tweedster

South Carolina

;o}
Feb 6th, 2004 06:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

The "list" price difference is only $230. The upgrades make the LTD well worth the difference.

SuperReverb2
Contributing Member
*

Mission, BC (Canada)

Doing that blues thang.......
Feb 6th, 2004 08:34 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Tweedster:

I think tone_master's point was that he only paid $699.99 for his "older" Bassman reissue. That's about $200.00 or so below the "ususal" asking price for these amps. Musicians Friend and Music123 (to name a couple) are asking $1159.99 and $1154.99 respectively for the "new" Bassman Ltd. Should tone_master return his "older" Bassman and buy the "new" one, it looks he'll be paying $455.00 to $460.00 MORE for the new amp.
I realize "technically" the list is only $230.00 apart between these two amps, and for THAT price ($230.00) I would take the Bassman Ltd everytime. As you can see though, tone_master is approaching that "dreaded" zone where he just might be better off keeping what he is already happy with. As I stated earlier, I feel the Bassman Ltd is a better amp, but in tone_master's case, I'm just not sure if it's $450.00 - $460.00 better.

Chuck

tone_master

USA

Feb 6th, 2004 11:10 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

SuerReverb2:

That's my point exactly, should I shell out arround $450 bucks more just to have the LTD, or should I just keep what I have, and possibly buy better tubes, and be just as happy with my tone?

Any other suggestions???

-thanks!

trumpet77
Contributing Member

USA/Dumfries/VA

Manassas Jam-Feb 21st
Feb 6th, 2004 11:35 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

playing them both side by side would be nice, but may not be possible for you. Besides the probably better tone on the LTD, it wouldn't be worth the extra $450 to me, thats such a great deal you got!

droner45

Ontario

Feb 6th, 2004 02:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Are the new bassmans gonna be a limited run? or is it just called "LTD" for no reason?

I also wonder how much the asking price will be in CDN $funds$.

Shane Nicholas - Fender

USA

Fender Amps
Feb 6th, 2004 03:44 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

In this case, LTD means "Lacquered TweeD"

(not "limited")

SuperReverb2
Contributing Member
*

Mission, BC (Canada)

Doing that blues thang.......
Feb 6th, 2004 06:05 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Shane:

Thanks for the clarification on the "Ltd."

tone_master:

A couple of more suggestions. I still think your best bet is to try BOTH amps side by side, and then make your decision based on the outcome. If this is not possible before your GC return period runs out, then you've got a couple of decisions to make. First off, you bought your Bassman amp at a price that allows you a little leeway if you decide to keep it, (and do the test trial when you can find one of the new Bassmans) past the GC return period. By this I mean that you stand a pretty decent chance of getting at least what you paid for the "older" Bassman, should you find the new Bassman Ltd more to your liking. IF yourself (and the masses) find that this new Bassman Ltd is NOTICEABLY better, then you would want to make your decision to sell the older Bassman SOONER than LATER, as the price of a "used" older Bassman may suddenly drop below what you paid for it. If on the other hand, there ISN'T a discernable difference between the two amps, then you are in the envious position of having purchased a GREAT sounding amp at a good price, and you can sit back and watch it's value appreciate as everybody else scrambles around looking for a good deal on an older Bassman. The old supply and demand thing. If the supply is stopped (as in the case of the 59 Bassman) and the demand is high, the price WILL go up.

Chuck

(This message was last edited by SuperReverb2 at 07:00 PM, Feb 6th, 2004)

Songsmith1950

Atlanta

Gimme a Tele and my gal and it's done
Feb 7th, 2004 07:47 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have to question whether the finger jointed pine cabinet will actually sound better. Some say a little brighter or whatever. With my Tele Am Ser I don't really need brighter. Also, most say the heavier the cabinet the better it will work in most cases. Is that not true here? Won't the extra wieght help the bass and lower mids live??
As far as the tubes, they may help, but not 400 dollars worth. Besides, you can find NOS for far less than the quoted price for the GT GE models.
The bias control mod is not really that difficult and can be done by a tech for very little.
For my money I will keep my BMRI, lacquer the tweed cab that it came in, and install the bias mod.
If you love the sound of your amp, then what except vanity do you have to gain? Besides, again there is the possibility that you may not like the sound the ligher cab gives.
Just my own thoughts.
Tom
Songsmith

hwy145

kalamazoo, MI

Come to Chicago Oh Maddux!
Feb 7th, 2004 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Songsmith1950 is right. I just read a post at the LP forum discussing the virtues of cabinet material. Most of these guys (they claimed to have quite a bit of experience) said that the material the cabient is made out of should not affect the overall tone of the amp. I would think keeping the cheaper one and doing a few upgrades would give you the amp you are looking for.

SuperReverb2
Contributing Member
*

Mission, BC (Canada)

Doing that blues thang.......
Feb 7th, 2004 07:13 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

hwy145:

NOT trying to get offensive or start anything, BUT, cabinet material as well as the type of construction used, has a HUGE effect on tone. I'm sure there are some knowledgeable on the LP Forum, but in this case they are wrong. There has been MANY a thread posted on The Gear Page about cabinet material and construction, and there is a noticeable difference between finger jointed pine construction and birch ply. Thus the reason many "boutique" and larger manufacturers offer both types. Think about it, if cabinet material and construction techniques DIDN'T matter, wouldn't we all be using the same cabinet?

Songsmith1950:

I agree with you that the $450.00 - $460.00 mark may be too much to give up to get the new Bassman Ltd, but I still feel a side by side comparison is the best way to go just to be sure. As far as the pine cabient being brighter? It's the other way around. The pine might seem more resonant and 3D sounding, but it is definitely NOT as bright sounding as a birch ply cabinet. As an example, that is one of the reasons that the 2 x 12 A Brown Soun cabinet didn't sound very good with the Tone Tubby speakers. (when first introduced to the market) The TT's tend to be a little darker sounding, and when they were coupled with the finger jointed pine A Brouwn Soun cabinet, they sounded VERY dark and muddy. Although the TT's will never have the sparkly top end of say a Jensen, they sounded MUCH better in my K&M 2 x 12 cabinet that was constructed out of birch ply.

Chuck

(This message was last edited by SuperReverb2 at 09:59 PM, Feb 7th, 2004)

curlydan

San Diego, CA

"music heals"
Feb 8th, 2004 10:04 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

tone_master,
well, you got a great deal on that Bassman!

I'm holding out for an LTD. FWIW, I think you could beat the price on MF.

Paul L
Contributing Member

NJ, USA

South Jersey, the 51st State
Feb 8th, 2004 05:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I just bought a BMRI LTD yesterday. This is my first Bassman, so I can't really compare it to anything. But it is an incredible amp. It had been on the floor maybe two days--not enough time for too much GC abuse. That would be my biggest concern about the older model blowouts, although as long as you're getting the full manufacturer's warranty, why not?

Personally, I'm not much of a tinkerer and I doubt if I could do as good of a lacquering job as Fender did on this amp (although I'm now tempted to lacquer my tweed Pro Jr. to match the Bassman). So to me, the upgrades seem worth the price. Either way, you're getting a great amp.

droner45

Ontario

Feb 8th, 2004 05:28 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Paul L, congrats on the new amp! I was wondering if you can tell us how much roughly you think the amp weighs? there has been some discussion about this on here in regards to the bassman LTD pine cabinet and how it weighs less than the older bassman RI's, but the fender catalog states it weighs the same as the older bassman RI's.

Paul L
Contributing Member

NJ, USA

South Jersey, the 51st State
Feb 8th, 2004 06:18 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

52 lbs according to my bathroom scale. Seems about right.

J.LaGrassa

USA/Ma.

Feb 9th, 2004 07:33 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would just keep the amp you have now you can always do the mods later. I bought my Bassman RI a few months ago at GC for $699 and Lacquered it that same week, the only other change's I made was some tubes swaps and added the 1 ohm Cathode resistors so i can measure the bias current. By the way the tubes are biased right in the 70% region and my amp is fixed bias.

Songsmith1950

Atlanta

Gimme a Tele and my gal and it's done
Feb 9th, 2004 11:52 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Another point I forgot to mention.
The money I saved on the BMRI is truly useful. When added to the normal savings that would have been seen between the BMRI and the TLD, I am within $100 of a new DRRI. That was another amp on my wish list and will soon become reality.
I would say to those who have baskets of money the LTD would be a very nice way to go.
To the others, such as I, the sound of the BMRI is something awesome. Almost a religeous sort of thing really.
The BMRI sounds incredible. That is why I bought it, and that is why I will keep it.
When run in parallel with the new Deluxe Reverb Reissue, it will be even moreso!

Congrats to Paul on his new BMRI Ltd. Welcome to the club. No matter which model anyone buys we are still the Bassman Reissue club and we all own one of the most legendary amp types of all time.

Tom
Songsmith

Next 20 Messages  

FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / '59 bassman RI for $699. or new '59 bassman LTD?




Reply to this Topic
Display my email address             Lost your password?
Your Message:
Link Address (URL):
Link Title:




Moderators: Chris Greene  Iron Man  reverendrob  

FDP, LLC Privacy Policy: Your real name, username, and email
are held in confidence and not disclosed to any third parties, sold, or
used for anything other than FDP Forum registration unless you specifically authorize disclosure.

Furtkamp.com 
Internet Application Development

Copyright © 1999-2017 Fender Discussion Page, LLC   All Rights Reserved