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FDP Forum / Amp Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Bandmaster 4x10 combo: anyone tried this?

Anode

USA

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Aug 18th, 2003 02:53 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

My main rig consists of a 61 Brownface Bandmaster (blond/maroon), a blond Fender Tonemaster 2x12 with V30's and a Fender reverb unit. This setup gives me a sound I want, but it's a handful to carry around. I've been toying the idea of a smaller tweed amp, perhaps a Bassman as a more portable alternative, since I like the sound of a vintage 4x10 for blues, etc.. I'm not really interested in a reissue Bassman and the real deal is not available at a price I can afford. Then driving home, I was struck with an idea. I happen to have a second brownface 62 Bandmaster head that I keep as a backup. I'd rather not sell it to finance part of the cost of a genuine tweed amp, so why couldn't I install the Bandmaster head in a custom 4x10 combo cabinet? Wouldnt that be kind of like a brownface Concert? Not a Bassman, but I could probably get a cabinet made for $400- $500 and with four 16-ohm 10-inch speakers, Id be spending a lot less. Does this make any sense? I was just wondering if anyone has tried something like that. Id welcome any thoughts or opinions.

Tweedster

South Carolina

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Aug 18th, 2003 05:21 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Go for it. Bandmaster heads make great combo amps. You should be able to get a nice cabinet built for about $350.

brownface

usa

Aug 19th, 2003 12:57 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

which output tranny do you have 125a7a(8 ohm) or 126a6a(4 ohm) in your bandmasters...my 62 has the 8 ohm......it roars thru a marshall 4x12 .....

Anode

USA

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Aug 19th, 2003 05:50 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Brownface:

Both my Bandmaster heads have 4-ohm OT's. The '61 has an OT from a '62 Fender Bassman (125A13A) and the '62 Bandmaster has a generic replacement 4-ohm OT. I think the different transformers impart some subtle differences in tone, both great, just slightly different--but that's the subject for another thread.

BTW: I tried Jensens in the closed cab and much prefer the V30's. However, I'd probably use Jensens in an open back cab or combo.

(This message was last edited by Anode at 05:53 AM, Aug 19th, 2003)

FishWater

Humboldt, Co Calif.

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Aug 19th, 2003 01:42 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Cool, cool amp. Why not go combo? The 5E7 Bandmaster (tweed era) was a 3 x 10 combo affair...and kicked butt! Why not save some weight and go for a 3x10 or 2x10 combo. Of course the brownface circuit is different in several ways from the tweed amp. I have had cabinetry done by Bob Burt over on the Weber Board "enclosures" pages. Nice work at a very good price by a friendly and responsive craftsman. Highly recommend him unless you are ultra finicky about all the "Fender" details, in that case look to Rogers Repro cabs or similar.

Tweedster

South Carolina

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Aug 19th, 2003 09:00 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anode,
Click below for a 2X10 cabinet made by JD Newell that is on Ebay. He makes good cabinets (I've had one) and can also make you a 4X10. E-mail him.

Cabinet on Ebay

Anode

USA

Is that all there is?
Aug 20th, 2003 05:21 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks to all who have replied. I emailed vibroworld but those guys seem to be overloaded with orders these days.

Fishwater, I thought about a 3x10, but I'm not sure I want to put 2.6-ohms on the 4-ohm OT. But thanks for the reference to a cab source.

Tweedstar, thanks for the tip! I've emailed JD Newell to see what he says about a 4x10 cab.

Hey, does anyone know for sure if the brownface Bandmaster would fit in a Concert cabinet? Both heads are 24" wide.

(This message was last edited by Anode at 05:22 AM, Aug 20th, 2003)

mingus2112

USA

Aug 20th, 2003 06:23 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

sounds to me like it would fit!

try marsh amps for the cab. they do good stuff.

Marsh Amps

Tweedster

South Carolina

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Aug 20th, 2003 10:25 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Anode,
Just for your information, the 5E7 tweed Bandmaster 3X10 has a 4 ohm transformer.
2.6 ohms is no problem.

Anode

USA

Is that all there is?
Aug 21st, 2003 05:27 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Tweedster-

Thanks for the info about the 4-ohm OT! After some back and forth with JD Newell, we settled on a historically correct brown tolex 3x10 combo cabinet. I was thinking that I had to replace my 4-ohm OT with a 2, but even better if the 4-ohm OT will handle 2.6. His price was very reasonable; should be interesting to see how this project turns out.

Since I'm starting from scratch, anyone have any opinions about speakers? I use my other Bandmaster to drive a closed 2x12 with Celestion V30's and it sounds great to me. But what about an open 3x10?

(This message was last edited by Anode at 06:21 AM, Aug 21st, 2003)

FishWater

Humboldt, Co Calif.

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Aug 21st, 2003 02:15 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

YES! 3 x 10 is an awesome combination for this amp...I love the P10R Jensen reissues above all else after direct-comparing with Celestion G10L-35, Weber P10Q, and Jensen reissue C10Q speakers. For blues and roots type sounds, this speaker complement is very nice indeed.

brownface

usa

Aug 25th, 2003 02:46 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

oh boy!!! my 62 bandmaster will play a LOT of different roles....did you know eddie van halen used one of these for years growing up before 'van halen'....a load of gain and a mighty roar thru an 8 ohm marshall cabinet,with the sparkle and shimmer on top these amps will do when backed off ....honestly once i got my 62 set up with rca blackplate 6l6gc and recapped biased it will wear many hats.....definitely super reverb style thru a 4x10 open back(tweed bassman pine cab with floating baffle) and an open 2x12 is very good with all tone 12's or c12n.....the 3x10 should yield great breakup and killer tone as well............

Anode

MD

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Aug 25th, 2003 09:25 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've ordered three Jensen C10R's and some hardware. After some thought, I've decided to replace the 4-ohm OT with a 2-ohm Bassman-style OT from Hoffman Amps. Hopefully I'll have the parts on hand to bring all this together when the combo cabinet is shipped.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to help. I'll post a link to a photo when its done.

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