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FDP Forum / Fender Guitars: Jaguars & Jazzmasters / Long Scale Jaguar

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Elliot Easton
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USA

Elliot Easton
Jun 1st, 2003 07:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Has anyone here ever thought about asking the Fender Custom Shop to make them a 25.5" scale Jaguar? I'll bet that that would be an incredible instrument-I may have to look into it myself!

Albatross

Gallia Belgica

Wound G heretic
Jun 1st, 2003 08:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Why would it be more of an incredible instrument than a regular short-scale Jaguar?

lison
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I was into me way before I sold out
Jun 1st, 2003 08:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

It would seem to me like a long scale Jaguar would end up being a Jazzmaster with Jaguar Pups. It would be significantly less expensive to mod a Jazzmaster than to order a CS Jaguar.

Elliot Easton
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USA

Elliot Easton
Jun 1st, 2003 09:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

{Why would it be more of an incredible instrument than a regular short-scale Jaguar?}

I believe that it would be a much more usable and versatile guitar with the extra string tension. Standards Jags are great, don't get me wrong, I just think it would be an interesting experiment.

{It would seem to me like a long scale Jaguar would end up being a Jazzmaster with Jaguar Pups.}

Partly, but with the addition of the cool chrome plates and the string mute.




MWaldorf

USA

Jun 1st, 2003 09:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

Get the increased string tension by using higher gauge strings - I use 12s on my Jazzmaster and 13s on my Jaguar, and they have very similar string tension.

Just a thought.

Mel

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Johnathan

USA

You Are Not What You Own
Jun 1st, 2003 09:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think the shortcomings of the Jaguar are what make it so special.
;)

Elliot Easton
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USA

Elliot Easton
Jun 1st, 2003 09:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

{Get the increased string tension by using higher gauge strings - I use 12s on my Jazzmaster and 13s on my Jaguar}

Yes, but then you lose string bendability. With the long scale you could use it for more styles of playing. Those are great pickups-I would like to hear them on a full scale guitar.

Elliot Easton
Contributing Member

USA

Elliot Easton
Jun 1st, 2003 09:35 PM   Edit   Profile  

{I think the shortcomings of the Jaguar are what make it so special}

Fair enough-that can be said about many guitars. I think it's fascinating, though, how resistant guitar players can be to a slightly different idea. After all, I'm not suggesting that anyone give up their beloved short-scale Jaguars. I'm a professional guitars who loves the vintage vibe as much as anybody, but not at the cost of getting the job done, I think it's a valid idea. I'd LOVE to try a Jag on tour, but the short scale simply wouldn't work well for many types of music.

(This message was last edited by Elliot Easton at 09:36 PM, Jun 1st, 2003)

Jim Shine
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Jun 1st, 2003 09:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

There is a guy who hangs around here from time to time that built a long scale Jaguar with aftermarket parts.

I performed a sort of Jaguar mod to a guys Jazzmaster. The guitar was modded for three humbuckers, so I sort of designed a pickguard that was a Jazzmaster pickguard with three Jaguar pickups in a Bass 6 type positioning and a Bass 6 4 switch plate so each pickup had an on/off and the strangle switch. The rhythm controls were wired to be just that, preset controls that ran off the pickup switch, not just the neck pickup. I never played the finished instrument. I have heard good things about it though.

To me if I had the means to order a Materbuilt guitar I would do just as you are thinking, a Jazzmaster guitar with Jaguar control plates, but I still think I would go with the 3rd pickup. It adds one more useable sound, plus on a full scale body there is a ton of space between a lone neck and bridge pickup. Get the true rhythm circuit added and it should be a very versatile guitar. Plus, it would look feasibly like an actual vintage Fender guitar taken out of the R&D lab.

(This message was last edited by Jim Shine at 10:09 PM, Jun 1st, 2003)

Elliot Easton
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Elliot Easton
Jun 1st, 2003 10:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks, Jim, for responding. I really believe that this concept has merit and would be a pure, unaduterated Fender guitar and a feasable alternative to Stratocasters, Telecasters and Jazzmasters. After all, the Jaguar was intended by Leo to be the greatest Fender guitar of all!

Scopo

Melbourne, Australia

Jun 1st, 2003 11:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dumb question perhaps, but are Jag & JM bodies exactly the same dimensions? Could you not put a Strat neck on a Jag Body, or is the bridge position wrong?

Ian-viz
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usa/Oakland

Jun 2nd, 2003 01:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

I like the idea, myself. After getting my recent Jazzmaster acquisition I'm very curious about the sound difference between Jaguar and Jazzmaster pickups when played on a neck of the same scale.
The chrome is cool, but I hate doing live pickup switching on my Jaguar. The toggle is much more functional for me.



unquiet

Darkest Scotland

F-type Jaguar driver
Jun 2nd, 2003 04:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

Scopo - no, they're not at all the same. Only the outline is remotely identical (and even then not quite). The bridge and tailpiece are further forward on the Jag, and the neck pocket further in.

Elliot - I don't think you do lose bendability when using a heavier string gauge on the Jag. That's one of the things I like about the shorter scale - big-string sound with thin-string playability. The overall tension and bendability is about the same with a Jag strung one gauge heavier than a JM.

dlesho

Cape Canaveral, FL

Jun 2nd, 2003 04:12 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just buy that ric 12/6 prototype, it appears to be 25.5" scale. ;)

mjet260
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Czech Republic

... some of us are looking to the stars.
Jun 2nd, 2003 04:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think that this would make an interesting "Elliot Easton Model". I'll be willing to demo any righty prototypes, of course. ;-)



P.S. - Elliot - I was 11 when I first heard "Since You're Gone" and it's what made me want to play the guitar (a Fender, as it were). That LP didn't leave my turntable (!!) for months. Of course my horrible technique acquired since then is 100% my own fault...

(This message was last edited by mjet260 at 04:24 AM, Jun 2nd, 2003)

Jim Shine
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Yeah, I like Jackson Soloists!
Jun 2nd, 2003 10:08 AM   Edit   Profile  

If he made it a signature series it would have to be called a Fender Jaguar E-Series...lol.

Elliot, right on! Leo made the Jaguar to be top of the line. The scale length is where it loses appeal. To fix that it would could be a very popular guitar.

(This message was last edited by Jim Shine at 10:15 AM, Jun 2nd, 2003)

ICSM

U.K.

Jun 2nd, 2003 10:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

what would happen if u were to wack in a different scale neck into a jag? maybe a jazzmaster neck....could u still tune it properly without any further adjustments?

Jim Shine
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Yeah, I like Jackson Soloists!
Jun 2nd, 2003 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Nope. The bridge would be too close to the nut and would never intonate. This is why there is a Jaguar body and a Jazzmaster body. If Fender could have made one body for both, they would have.

Elliot Easton
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USA

Elliot Easton
Jun 2nd, 2003 11:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, I think the way to order it would be: a Jazzmaster with Jaguar electronics and cosmetic appointments. That'd be one cool ride!

TheShadows

USA

Jun 2nd, 2003 11:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

Elliot, I was thinking at one time making my own. Either getting a Jazzmaster and installing the Jaguar appointments and electonics or making one from scratch. I often wonder why with all those variations of the Jazzmaster and Jag they make now they never made a guitar as you suggest?

I think I read that you had some Jazzmaster pickups put in your Fender '52 Tele RI, the Fiesta Red one and had it painted. How do you like the Tele with the Jazzmaster pickups? Also, are these Fender reissue JM pickups or are they Duncan or vintage pickups? I remember seeing you play that Tele at the Live Aid concert at JFK statium in Philly. Very cool looking guitar.



Hank (NOT) Marvin

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