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FDP Forum / Fender Amps: 1985 - Current / The '59 Bassman Reissue club... players who know a good amp

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Mcbain

United States

Jet boy stole my baby!!
Dec 17th, 2010 10:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hello everyone. I am a former Bassman Reissue owner and one that regrets ever letting the first one go! A couple of years ago, I traded my BMRI for a Vox AC30CC2 that came with an ATA road case. The Vox is a great amp and in a perfect world I'd own them both, but I am totally jonesing for that Bassman sound again.

I found someone on craigslist who was selling one at a good price and contacted him about a trade for my AC30. His Bassman is on wheels, but doesn't have a road case. I asked him about throwing in an epiphone B.B. King Lucille guitar he was also selling to make up for the lack of a road case to no avail. He is interested in trading straight up though.

All of that being said, I have 2 questions for you. First of all, I feel as if me having a road case and him not leaves me room to ask for a bit more. Do you think the Lucille add on is fair? If not, how much if any do you all think I should ask to even things up a bit? Should I just go with the even trade for the amps (along with my road case)?

Second, I'm not necessarily crazy about the casters being added to the amp and would probably take them off if I got the amp. Can a modification that minor affect the overall tone of the amp? I know that may sound like a stupid question, but sometimes the smallest things can make big differences in tone and I'm just looking for opinions.

whatdisay

USA

Dec 26th, 2010 12:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

owner of a Sept 1993 59 Bassman Reissue, bought it new. The amp remained unplayed from about 2002 til this year. I am looking to put all new tubes in it, and am starting my internet research project on this issue. Any advice on where to shop for the best quality/price tubes would be most appreciated. I will be poking around this forum for info on same, but any hepful links might help cut some time out of it.

Happy holidays to all.

1958Bassman

USA

Jan 8th, 2011 08:40 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Why do you need to re-tube it? Tubes don't go bad just sitting around in an amp.

If you want new tubes, we have some good sources among the forum's sponsors.



SoK66
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USA

We had the hit but Van got the money
Jan 10th, 2011 08:31 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" i clipped 1 of the main caps - it didnt fall off ? is this normal & should i replace it with your earlier suggestion ? many thanks in anticipation "

Very sorry for not responding to this earlier, missed it.

The caps are held in place with a bit of clear silicone. You can just take an Xacto knife and (CAREFULLY!) slice through it and lift off the cap once the leads are clipped.

The original spec cap for the preamp is 8uf /450v, available from AES in Sprague Atom brand, or IIRC in a 10uf / 500v F&T. You'll notice a bit more sag to your attack and an increase in touch sensitivity.

As I noted earlier, I think what Fender was trying to do with the reissue Bassman back when they designed it was to make it a more modern, tighter amp. I'm not sure they'd do it the same way now. Off the showroom floor the BMRI is probably one of the best combo amps out there, it can just be improved upon IMHO.

SoK66
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USA

We had the hit but Van got the money
Jan 10th, 2011 08:42 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

" Any advice on where to shop for the best quality/price tubes would be most appreciated "

" Why do you need to re-tube it? Tubes don't go bad just sitting around in an amp "

Mcbain, for new production try our sponsors AES or The Tube Store. Fender used some positively wretched Chinese garbage tubes in the era your BMRI was produced. A re-tube will yield some real benefits. I really like the Tung-Sol 5881 power tubes in BMRIs, and the Tung-Sol 12AX7s. While you're at it, try swapping out the V1 12AX7 for a 12AY7 or 5751, too. If you still have it in there, try swapping out the solid state rectifier for a GZ34 or 5U4GB, the latter fro more sag and lower b+ / plate voltage.

That era BMRI doesn't have a bias pot. It's pretty easy to add one if you're handy with a soldering iron. Kendrick sells a kit but you can just add a trim pot in place of the bias resistor. I can't remember the resistor number on the board offhand, but Google it and there's a number of write-ups on how to do it.




tee pee

US/Maryland

Huh?
Jan 12th, 2011 10:36 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

"While you're at it, try swapping out the V1 12AX7 for a 12AY7 or 5751, too."
My question is, why does the reissue have a 12ax7 in V1? I was fortunate enough to play a vintage 59 bassman before ever playing a reissue. I loved it. The tube chart listed a 12ay7 in V1. I started looking at the reissues, and saw 12ax7 in V1. Is the circuit not the same?
If Fender was reissuing a 59 bassman, wouldn't the layout be the same? PCB vs. point to point, of course.

shoudek
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USA

MH
Jan 14th, 2011 07:43 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I've found the 5U4 to be way too saggy in mine. Almost muddy sounding.

Just checked the tube lineup in mine and it looks like this....for idea purposes only....Not saying it is the only way to do one.....

5V4 - 6L6-6L6-JAN5751's across the rest.

(This message was last edited by shoudek at 07:44 PM, Jan 14th, 2011)

cisco

Tucson, Arizona USA

Bottom Sucker
Jan 14th, 2011 07:58 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I would think that amps very warm with great soft overdrive / distortion at high volume. I think that's a nice combination, I'll have to try it on mine.

lusn
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Chicago

Next stop... the glue factory
Apr 4th, 2011 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I have a 1991 Bassman 59 RI. I want to try a different speaker config than the 4 X 10. I have a 1 X 15 cab that I want to hook up, but am not familiar with the speaker input setup (each of the 4 10s goes to a separate jack). If the load the amp wants to see is 2 ohms, and my cab is 8, how to do it and what jack setup should I use?

budg
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ohio

Home of the Goodyear blimp
Apr 17th, 2011 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I am back! Picked up a 59 BM LTD off ebay with tung sol 5881 tubes in it . A sweet sounding amp. Had a 96 reissue and had to sell it due to finances .Regretted it and had money to buy another one. I believe its one of the finest amps Fender makes.

(This message was last edited by budg at 01:09 PM, Apr 17th, 2011)

1958Bassman

USA

Apr 19th, 2011 08:13 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

lusn- "If the load the amp wants to see is 2 ohms, and my cab is 8, how to do it and what jack setup should I use?"

You can't. The speaker determines the load and you can't make an 8 Ohm speaker act like a 2 Ohm speaker.


dpking

West Coast USA

Donny
Jun 9th, 2011 09:22 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey Cats
I just ordered my first Bassman. It is an old reissue I got off Ebay.
I am looking forward to it and reading all these posts on this forum.

stevierayb

uk

Jul 11th, 2011 10:58 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

unfortunattly just had to sell mine - hadnt used it in 21/2 years

5Strats
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Edmond/OKC

Axe Victim
Jul 11th, 2011 12:31 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I bought a used, mint condition '59 Bassman RI LTD recently and its a cool amp.

However, I think my '63 Vibroverb RI will still be my primarly gigging amp.

capecod bluesman

usa

Sep 18th, 2011 10:01 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Hey all, I just traded a blues jr tweed for a 90 bassman ri with 4 brand new speakers and some mod's done to make it more period correct.

The 6l6's are winged c's,, what should they be bias'd at? I have a rectifier tube in there and all tungsols in preamp. I want to experiment with different tube's. I have had the bias trim pot installed as well and a bunch of circuitry taken out that the tech said was not neccesary. I have bias'd amps before but never this bassman and I'm looking to get sooner break up.

What other dirt pedals go great with this amp besides ocd pedal, I have a 83 tubescreamer which is great but it's way better when amp is already starting to breakup on it's own , which is loud as we all know. This amp is solid, dirty as hell and gone over by Bill Webb in Austin,Tx. I'm very happy with it and just want to make a couple changes for more home use, not bedroom use just not gigging volume.

Where can I get a wiring harness so I can buy an attenuator, I have emailed several places with no response. Thanks so much to anyone that responds

RDR
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I tried to think

but nothing happened!
Sep 18th, 2011 10:49 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Looks like the Weber site has some...

Harness

capecod bluesman

usa

Sep 19th, 2011 06:02 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

Thanks for finding that harness, Now I wonder if you have to use it with there attenuator or if it's standard cabling and end's.

I got a link today from gerald weber who makes the harness and an attenuator that fits right into the back of the amp, it attaches. I don't know rules here so I won't post link but if you want to see it p.m. me,, I think between a good dirt pedal to push already breaking up tubes and a good attenuator, I'll be in heaven. I'm really falling for this bassman, I was horrified at my playing at first, nothing to hide behind, but am getting used to the fact I need practice,lol and a good amp don't lie.

No Limits

Maryland, USA

Never squat with your spurs on!
Sep 26th, 2011 08:41 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

you don't have an email in your profile, no way to pm here...

It's okay to post a link to info like that, I think.

If you still feel funny about it, please send to my email at jmears@md.metrocast.net

Thanks

gerry s

USA

If it's too loud - you're too old
Feb 9th, 2012 03:51 PM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

If I recall correctly, there is NO a bias pot on the first series BMRI. One can be installed bky a competent tech. IN my BMRI that I bought used, it has a hand wired board in it and a bias pot. I do not know the brand of the board as I cannot locate a name on it (at least on the side you can see). It is a phenomonal amp. IL just put the Tung-Sol 5881 in it, rebiased and hope they hold up. Sounds even better than with the GT 6L6 S. Cut down a little on the out put.

5Strats
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Edmond/OKC

Chasing Sanity
Feb 10th, 2012 11:06 AM   Edit   Profile   Print Topic   Search Topic

I recently started gigging with my '59 Bassman LTD and really like how it sounds.

However, I did have to buy one of those collapsable handtrucks to move it around. (:oD

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