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FDP Forum / Home Recording Forum / Tascam DP24/DP32: Yay or nay?

ejm

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Feb 21st, 2014 10:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

Anyone have any personal experience with them? I'm going to need to replace my old 788 someday.

Thanks in advance.


bongo122819

usa

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Feb 27th, 2014 03:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

I used to own the 788 until it fried last year so i bought the DP-24. I have lots of opinions but I'll keep it short.
1. DP-24 is SD card based instead of Hard Drive so it's silent but I've had several fatal FILE ERRORs that killed the entire file - something that never happened with 788 so be forewarned.
2. I work alone, one track at a time so the 24 tracks are an awesome feature.
3. Keeping track of tracks SUCKS. Gone is the ability to name the tracks so I must use masking tape below the faders to keep track of the names.
4. you only get one virtual track per track though this has not turned out to be the problem I feared.
5. It has NO FRIGGIN' PITCH CONTROL! a true bummer.
6. It won't edit extremely short sections. i.e. like cloning a voice and cutting off a few milliseconds to sound like doubling - though there's partial work around.
7. The optional footswitch works very well.
8. The internal FX are better than the 788 so I tend to do all my guitar trax "in the box".
9. The internal EQ and Compression are noticeably better than the 788.
10. The Mastering is Much Better.
11. There's no way to Zero out the settings in a new file - i.e. you start a new song and all the settings, EQ, panning, etc carry over from previous one - Frigging DUMB - TASCAM.
that's enough for now.

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Mar 2nd, 2014 08:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

I bought the DP32 yesterday, Stupid Deal at MF. It'll be awhile before I can give any sort of review, though.

ejm

usa

Mar 2nd, 2014 11:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for the responses so far.

I did see the SDOTD for the DP32.

As for the comments: I agree. Several of them are baffling as to how they could allow that.

I have browsed the DP24 manual a few times and came up with what I think is another one: There is a stereo effects send, but no return. What gives? All I can figure is that you are supposed to rout the return from your external reverb or whatever to two of the tracks. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Keep the comments coming. Much appreciated.



ejm

usa

Mar 2nd, 2014 11:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

Question for Bongo: Did you determine what "fried" on your 788? (BTW, it has been several years since I last talked to anyone at the TASCAM factory, but at the time their service was terrible.)

Another question: The last SW/FW update allowed for up to 64 GB of storage. It has been years since that upgrade, hard drives have grown in capacity, and 80 GB drives are few and far between. If you put in say, a 500 GB drive (of the right type), would it work? I assume you'd only get 64 GB of storage and throw away 400+ GB, but would it work?

Thanks in advance.


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Mar 6th, 2014 05:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

"4. you only get one virtual track per track though this has not turned out to be the problem I feared."

The manual for the DP-32 says there are 8 virtual tracks per track. Is the DP-24 different in this regard?

ejm

usa

Mar 7th, 2014 12:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

I spent some time yesterday with a friends' new DP24. He has the v1.12 software/firmware. I looked for some specific things and here's what I found.

"1. DP-24 is SD card based instead of Hard Drive so it's silent but I've had several fatal FILE ERRORs that killed the entire file - something that never happened with 788 so be forewarned."

Comment: There have been several Tascam SW/FW updates. From what I recall everyone of them mentions updates to fix things in this area.

"4. you only get one virtual track per track though this has not turned out to be the problem I feared."

Comment: I did not see this. The machine has more than one VT per track, and in addition the manual does say there are 8 (I think).

"7. The optional footswitch works very well."

Comment: He also got the FSW with three functions and likes it.

"11. There's no way to Zero out the settings in a new file - i.e. you start a new song and all the settings, EQ, panning, etc carry over from previous one - Frigging DUMB - TASCAM."

We tried this and it does not seem to be the case. We changed the EQ on one track in one song, loaded up another song, and the same track in the second song was different. I'm not sure what Bongo was referring to. Maybe a different scenario?

Also, the effects sends/returns: It doesn't appear to allow you to pan the effect returns for each track. This is probably a minor deal and something most people don't notice anyway. There may be a way to do it but in my brief encounter it wasn't obvious.

If my 788 died today I'd most likely get a DP24.


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Mar 9th, 2014 04:29 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've had a DP24 for about a year now. It is a really nice unit...better than the Roland VS24 I had, better than the Boss BR stuff.

The on-board guitar processing is ho-hum at best. Great for demos, etc, but you'll get better sound with a POD or amp-to-mic.

I tried software recording (Cakewalk, Sonar, Pro Tools on the Mac) for a long time after years of adventures with a Tascam 246 cassette machine, and I could never get past the latency issues.

I bought the DP24 when MF was blowing 'em out, and I am happy with the results I get with it.

Any post-production stuff I want to do, I can export the tracks to a software package and tweeze it all I like, and master it there, or port it back into the Tascam and master it there.

I'm happy with it.

bongo122819

usa

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Mar 10th, 2014 09:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

ejm
My 788 died when the 4 or 5 power supply capacitors melted and oozed out on the board. I removed them and put in replacement caps (same spec) but the unit never booted up.
Not sure what to do with the 788 and the CDR , maybe just toss?
I'll check the V-track comment when I get home, seems to me when I went to the V-track there was only 1 virtual track visible in the window - maybe I missed something, but for me the V-track turns out to be a minor issue.
jb

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Mar 10th, 2014 02:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

The portable recorders are pretty cool. Latency is still an issue on PC's, however it's not a big one anymore. On my 2 year old PC build I can track with no pops or clicks with my Roland octa capture with a buffer of only 64 samples - which is about equivalent to analog circuitry latency around 3-6 ms I believe. Times are a changin as Bob said!

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Mar 10th, 2014 08:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm struggling with the DP-32 because the manual isn't all that great IMO. I'm trying to export stereo tracks....in stereo. So far, I've only been able to export in mono as two separate tracks. Anyone know how to export them in stereo?


Blue360

Scotland UK

Mar 18th, 2014 11:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have had the DP24 for over a week and it is a great unit. There are 2 other hardware recorders I own a Zoom R16 and a Yamaha AW1600 which I have had for a while and the DP24 is a lot easier to use and edit I have even copied and pasted stuff and inserted silence like you can on a DAW as the wave and jog shuttle are easy to use. I have written about 6 virtual tracks no problem so I guess it will do 8 at a pinch it has dymamic effex on the input and the eff-ex on mixdown are good although you can only have one you can choose how much you can put on each tracks through send and return as well as adding an outboard efx via send and return 2. Once you have done a stereo mixdown track you can master using mastering EQ and multiband compressors and the results are very good.

ejm

usa

May 26th, 2014 10:08 PM   Edit   Profile  

Update to previous discussions.......

I spent the day with another friends' DP24 verifying the WAV file import capability.

I took a CD over to his place made on my 788 of a song I did. We loaded the WAV files from the CD on to the SD card Audio Depot. We took the SD card to the DP24 and loaded the WAV files in the Audio Depot to a new song. The files/song played just like they are supposed to do.

However...........

In the process I found another thing that I didn't care for, although I'm not sure if it would be a problem.

Compression: The 788 lets you assign a compressor to each of the 8 tracks during mixdown/mastering (that's 8 separate compressors, one for each track). The DP 24 does not appear to do that. Instead, the only place it lets you add compression during mixing/mastering is on the stereo bus/output.

I use the individual compressors all of the time on one or two tracks on the 788. But like I said, I don't know if I'd miss this feature on the DP24 or not.


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